Speaker 1: 0:46

This evening I have a local guitarist right here from the Houston area on the show with me. She is nominated for Best Local Guitarist for the upcoming 8th Annual SLM Awards. Hey everybody, it's Randy Holsey with Backstage Pass Radio and I am back here in the Crystal Vision studio this evening. My guest is a fan favorite and burns up the fretboard with multiple bands here in the greater Houston area. I will introduce you to the talented Sadie Williams, guitarist of the Kaleidoscope Project and the Skins, right after this.

Speaker 2: 1:17

This is Backstage Mass Radio. Backstage Mass Radio, a podcast by an artist for the artist. Each week, we take you behind the scenes of some of your favorite musicians and the music they created From chart-topping hits to underground gems. We explore the sounds that move us and the people who make it all happen. Remember to please subscribe, rate and leave reviews on your favorite podcast platform. So, whether you're a casual listener or a die-hard music fan, tune in and discover the magic behind the melodies. Here is your host of Backstage Pass Radio, randy Holsey.

Speaker 1: 1:58

Sadie, thanks so much for being here in the Crystal Vision studio. It's nice to finally meet you. Welcome.

Speaker 3: 2:04

Yeah, you too.

Speaker 1: 2:04

Thank you, thank you, yeah. So I've been looking forward to talking to you for a long time now, and I'm glad that our schedules finally met up. So I'm glad that you're here, and I wanted first off just kind of share with the listeners what inspired you to get into music.

Speaker 3: 2:25

Well, when I first heard Led Zeppelin II and Led Zeppelin IV, you know, you just you get that, that that goosebump kind of feeling, you just ooh, you know. And I, when I first heard those records, I just like, oh my gosh, I got to play guitar.

Speaker 1: 2:42

Undeniable. Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 3: 2:43

That's what made me want to start playing. So. So it was the rock and roll genre that kind of kicked you off right, oh yeah, I grew up hearing a bunch of old country and red dirt and stuff like that from my mom and she always played you know different country rock and old country and stuff like that. I grew up hearing music but it kind of became a background kind of thing at some point, until Zeppelin come on.

Speaker 1: 3:10

I'm like holy, you know what is this?

Speaker 3: 3:11

You know like yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:13

That's a cool story. And were any of the members in the family musical, though? Like they listened to music, but were they players of instruments?

Speaker 3: 3:22

Were they musicians? Really Not at all. I am the black sheep of the family. You were the innovator of the family family.

Speaker 1: 3:28

I hear so many different stories like some of the greatest people uh, these artists that have been on my show, that are world-renowned people like nope, my mom didn't play, nope, my dad didn't play it's like, wow, that's amazing that you got to the level that you got to and you never had that influence, other than maybe just hearing the radio playing or maybe some vinyl or whatever, whatever, whatever the format was back in the day. So it's interesting for a, for a great guitar player like you, that mom nor dad were really even musical people.

Speaker 3: 3:59

Yeah, nobody in my family plays music at all Like my uncles, my cousins. Nobody plays music, not not an instrument at all, like not even a clarinet. You know, it's just just. Yeah, we get together for thanksgiving or christmas. It's like, yeah, sadie plays guitar.

Speaker 1: 4:16

You know it's you're like the uh, the family rock star musician. Right, because you're the only one exactly yeah, it's kind of.

Speaker 3: 4:23

It's kind of funny and kind of cringy at the same time well did you play last weekend?

Speaker 1: 4:27

you know just well, well, follow me on social media and you'll learn all about it right, I know you came in from the North Houston area up around Conroe. Is that kind of where you grew up, or where did you grow up and did you find your way out to Conroe at a later time?

Speaker 3: 4:43

Well, we've lived out in Conroe for a good amount of time. I'm 27 now. We've lived out in Conroe, I guess, since I was four years old. Yeah, okay, I can't do the math in my head right now. What 23 years? Yeah, is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 5:00

Close enough, close enough, I went to.

Speaker 3: 5:01

I went to New Caney. I went to New Caney ISD. So I don't, I can't do math.

Speaker 1: 5:07

Right, exactly, even the simplest of math.

Speaker 3: 5:11

Um, but yeah, we we grew up in spring ish. We we lived there for a little bit and then we moved and lived in conroe for some time and yeah, I just kind of stayed there. And you know, I mean it takes you 30, 45 minutes to get anywhere around town. So it's, you know, we've we've got family and humble and stuff like that and all over the place.

Speaker 1: 5:33

So you know I don't play too many shows up that way. Uh, I did pick up um some shows up in Huntsville at the big easy Um and uh, that's, that's a cool place. And then, uh, we do play out off 105 at Ransom Steakhouse.

Speaker 1: 5:49

I've heard of that one. Yeah, sure, they had a big music thing going on back before COVID. Then COVID came around, they kind of shut the music down and they're just now kind of trying to pick that up again, for solo artists mainly, or maybe a duo you can get by. They're not really doing the band thing, but yeah, so don't really get up that way too much. All mine are more cypress keema. You know, down the galveston way. You know we play down at jackie's and I would love to play there.

Speaker 3: 6:23

You don't know. I don't know, I think is it charlie? I think it's char Charlie, I have his number. I need to call him. Yeah, you should, he'll get you in. Yeah, I've called and emailed and haven't heard anything. But yeah, a lot of people have told us we need to play there and I'm like, yeah, I agree. But the thing is is like you know, I might way I get a little bit hurt, but I'm like I just give it some time, they'll call us, they'll call us.

Speaker 1: 6:56

Well, you know, at the end of the day, be cautiously persistent, like I'm in cells for a living, and I think persistence is key, without being annoying too. But at the end of the day, here's the thing, and I think a lot of people believe in this world that people owe them something for some reason, and I'm, and I'm here to tell you these venues don't owe us a return phone call they don't owe us an email back to say no or yes, so it's incumbent upon us, the musician, to of them.

Speaker 3: 7:30

Hey, okay, maybe you don't have anything now, but if you ever have an opening, we'd love to check in there and I never want to bombard the venues and sound like I'm super desperate for a gig because we've got a lot of shows and a lot of bookings and we're super thankful for that. But it's always nice to get that cool gig at a new place that you haven't played or the place that you've been wanting to play for a while. It's yeah, I'll call them and email them and stuff here and there, and I might not get a bite, but I'm like ugh. And then next thing I know phone's ringing. Oh, we got a gig, cool, you know it's, and I think it just gives you got to give it some time and then stuff just happens and I think that's the way to go about it.

Speaker 1: 8:09

Yes, I totally agree with you. Well, you've got the right person in your contacts for Jackie.

Speaker 3: 8:14

Yeah, I got his number.

Speaker 2: 8:17

I need to hey, remember me, yeah, he's actually gotten us a couple gigs and stuff.

Speaker 3: 8:21

So I think for next year we might get some more, but he's busy booking all kinds of places and all kinds of other bands. So I think we're the newbies on the block too. So it's you know, give us some time, yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:33

Well, if I can help you with anything, let me know. But. I think you guys carry your own weight. But I've been playing down at Chris and I have been playing down at Jackie's probably for the last six, seven, eight years now, I guess. Yeah, so I don't really get down there that much. You know, I kind of grew up in that part of town and it was always fun back in the day to get down there because that's where all my old peeps were.

Speaker 1: 8:55

And everybody would say, oh, randy's on this side of town, because now I'm up on up here in the Cypress area and most of the people that I went to school with are still down South Right. So that was. It was easy for them to get to me at Jackie's right and I really don't maybe two gigs a year that I'm playing down at Jackie's, just because it's. I love Jackie's, love John Barrera and his staff down there. The four-hour shows are like because we're playing outside right, the duo is outside.

Speaker 3: 9:27

Four-hour shows are just kind of nasty you know, I'm kind of starting to feel that too, and I do full band stuff, yeah, so you can only imagine how tiring that is.

Speaker 1: 9:38

Well, think about it from a vocal perspective. Oh yeah, I mean, I know playing guitar that long is tough too, but the guitar doesn't wear out, the vocal cords do it, does I have to be kind?

Speaker 3: 9:49

of wary of where and how I book my gigs sometimes because we're playing rock and roll, yeah, and we're going, all you know, balls out, right.

Speaker 4: 9:57

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 9:58

It's like there's no acoustic set in the middle of the show. We're rocking out the whole time, Exactly yeah. So, whether it's you know, if I have a double booking with Kaleidoscope, like we're playing Friday and then we're playing Saturday, man, like when it gets to be about mid-show on Friday night, we got to kind of take it a little easy and not party too hard you know Got to do it again, oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:21

Or same thing with the skins. You know it's hard doing two back-to-back shows. I agree with you, even me. Physically it's like because we rock out and we got you know the stage, kind of show sort of thing, like I'm flopping around on the stage and jumping and kicking and all that it's demanding yeah, it's like you don't want to get up the next day.

Speaker 1: 10:38

No, I get it. Well, I am playing two shows this weekend and I try not to do that, just because really I don't want to tie the whole weekend up doing that you know this weekend, I think friday we're at backyard grill and then saturday we're out at um lone pint brewery. That's another one that you need to get into brooke alison her nightmare plays out.

Speaker 3: 11:00

Fab five, I think. Play out there too yeah, the uh russell daly on and the um double vision, yeah, yeah, yeah, the foreigner you know and I've called them and I've have emailed them, and I've emailed them and hey, lone Pine, if you're listening, I'm looking for a gig. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I've called them up and I haven't gotten anything. And, like I said earlier, I get kind of bummed out in a way. But I'm sitting there thinking they'll call one day.

Speaker 1: 11:24

Yeah, they'll call That'll be a cool gig, yeah, so.

Speaker 3: 11:28

But we're trying to not do too many like outdoor shows during the summer because those oh my God.

Speaker 1: 11:33

Oh, I cut out all the outdoor shows.

Speaker 3: 11:36

I'm done with that. We did a couple this past year and it's like we're not doing this again.

Speaker 1: 11:41

No, it's too brutal here. We'll get you connected in out at Lone Pint. Some of the people at Lone Pint listen to this podcast.

Speaker 3: 11:49

Yeah, I've got some friends that play out there for sure, and I'm like man, that's a cool spot. You know we used to play at a Back Pew brewery a lot in Porter and I think Double Vision has played out there, escape, fab Five, diamond Jack is now AMFM. They've played out there before and that's right by my house, but you know know we haven't played out there in some time. You know we're not necessarily labeled as a tribute band either, so the gigs, the gigs are a little, a little different sometimes so we got to kind of book it accordingly and make sure it's within the budget and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 12:23

But yeah, we're always looking for new opportunities and new things and new stuff to play and in front of new venues and new people who haven't seen us before, because we're, you know, always looking for, you know, the new crowds and 100 there are some of the people at the venues around town that do frequent this show.

Speaker 1: 12:41

So you guys take a take notice of the kaleidoscope project and the skins and good stuff. Get them out there, let them bring their people in and and rock your stage. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And, um, do you remember like early on, when you put kaleidoscope together, kind of what the vision? Did you have a vision for the band, or was it let's just get together and play songs, or did you really? Were you guys thinking that through? Like this is really where we would like to be, this is where we want the band to go. Can you speak a little bit about the vision?

Speaker 3: 13:12

man, really we just wanted to play and just play to the people, and just wherever it takes us or wherever it took us is totally fine with us. And still to this day, you know, we're always playing a bunch of cool shows and stuff and just wherever it takes us is we're happy with it.

Speaker 1: 13:29

Yeah, sure sure, well, you guys recently released a couple of songs this year and I'd like to treat the listeners to a clip of the songs, if that is okay yeah sure sure the first one is called mean mistreater, and let's cue that song up and when we come back we'll chat about the song. Fair enough?

Speaker 4: 13:50

Desire's just a game and she's the grandmaster. Bending, breaking, widow-making she's just a disaster. Now she gets what she wants. She makes no exception, unless she chooses you to be her lethal weapon. Mean mistreater, you set the souls on fire. Now there's nothing to appease ya. You're caught in your desire. But, truth be told, your tricks are getting known and you'll never know. Oh, you'll never know.

Speaker 1: 15:09

That's a great song and I was going to say you know, great job on this song, but maybe, before you leave, you have to teach me how to play the guitar.

Speaker 3: 15:16

Sure.

Speaker 1: 15:20

Well, tell me a little bit about what inspired the song.

Speaker 3: 15:24

To be honest with you, I don't know. It just kind of came out of nowhere. I was sitting on that riff for a long time and I and I'll be honest with you, whenever I sit down and try to come up with a song, or whenever we try to sit down and come up with a song, and it's, you know, all eyes on everything, it's like it's you can't do it, you cannot do it.

Speaker 4: 15:44

The best.

Speaker 3: 15:45

the best ideas are. Our best ideas come when you least expect it. So I was sitting on that riff for a while. I'm like man, that is cool, I don't, I don't know where it come from, just came up with it, let's throw it in a song somewhere. And we were, yeah, we were sitting on it for a while and we went through a lineup change and then we brought Sam, our current singer, into the band and he well, he's been with us for shoot four years now and, yeah, just rocking it. Um, so, yeah, sitting on that song for a little while and we just kind of pieced it together and we've changed up a few little things here and there and he came up with the lyrics and stuff and it just became a real rocking tune you know I dig it.

Speaker 1: 16:23

That's really cool. Now, do you consider yourself a songwriter, though, or are you more of just a guitarist? Like, talk to the listeners a little bit about that.

Speaker 3: 16:31

I don't consider myself a songwriter by any means. I've sat and tried to write some lyrics, and I do here and there. But I look at what I write and I'm like this looks like fifth grader, fourth grader, you know. Just rhyme schemes suck. It's terrible. Yeah, you know what I get it. But you got to keep writing you know, like cause you know you're. You might think it's a crappy idea then, but then you come back to it.

Speaker 1: 16:55

Well, that word, I can change this phrase up a little bit Use adapt on it you know that and you, you evolve over time with anything that you do, right, whether that's, you know, the first time you ever wash your car. It's not very good, right, but as you do it for 10 or 15 years, you really get to understand. Okay, I got to get every little crevice clean on the car, yeah. Or whatever you're doing, whether you're building a doghouse or whatever, the more you do these things, the better you get at them. So would you say a lot of the songs, or the songs in general, for you guys come more from a riff or are they more revolved around lyrics?

Speaker 3: 17:35

Currently I think it's more riff-based, but there has been times where Sam might come up with a really cool lyric and actually we have a new song that's going to come out here in maybe a month or so. We're still working on it, we've recorded it. We need to finish up some lyrics and stuff at the studio, that song. Actually I came up with a riff, guitar chord pattern kind of thing, but I really didn't know how I was going to phrase it. We ended up changing it up some and I told Sam I was like well, what do you have lyric wise? So he showed me his book. He's like but I don't have a melody for it, I just wrote these words. Okay, so I'm sitting there kind of playing my guitar, you know whatever, and looking at the words and I just kind of started figuring out some kind of vocal melody for him to sing.

Speaker 4: 18:25

And I was like try this.

Speaker 3: 18:27

Okay, so then he, you know, does it, and I ended up changing some parts on my guitar, not anything super crazy, but then we ended up with a cool song.

Speaker 2: 18:36

Okay.

Speaker 3: 18:37

But I can't no hints just yet, because we haven't released it yet. But yeah, I think at times some of the stuff comes from some vocal ideas, but most of it is guitar riff.

Speaker 1: 18:50

It's interesting that you say that too, Oriented you know. Yeah, I've had a lot of people on the show and they're also different in the songwriting. A lot of people write around a melody line, right. A lot of people write around riffs and you never know. And I don't know that there's any one of the bands or the musicians that I've ever talked to that's so rigid in their ways of writing that they only do one or the other. It's kind of whatever, like you said, whatever, just whatever comes up sometimes.

Speaker 3: 19:21

Yeah, because you never know, whatever comes up is the best thing that comes up right.

Speaker 1: 19:24

You know so many hit songs, like Rich Girl by Hall Oates, and you know I can think of two or three others right off the top of the head. These were mega hit songs that were all I mean written in 10 minutes right.

Speaker 1: 19:37

Yeah, and so sometimes the best things just come to you and you just go with the flow, right? You know, there's another release that you guys cut this year. It's a song called Moon Gypsy, and let's treat the listeners to that song and we'll come back and chat about that one as well, cool.

Speaker 4: 20:05

I'm out. Moon Gypsy, Don't move, don't move. There's a full moon tonight.

Speaker 1: 20:47

Another rockin' song Sadie. Great, great song. Love the tune. Talk about where, uh, you guys recorded both songs. Were they both recorded in the same place or did you go to different uh avenues?

Speaker 3: 21:00

yes, they were both recorded at a stormy cooper media. It's um I, it's kind of ish in the jersey village ish area. I can't remember the street that it's off of Cause I'm not from around this part of town, but um but yeah, we found that studio.

Speaker 3: 21:14

Um, a couple of friends of mine have recorded there but they mainly do country bands but they've done some rock bands and stuff like that, but they're more known for the country acts. They go through their uh, sundance head records there there. Okay, countless others, great studio. So we we went in there and we're checking out a friend of ours and his his little session just to kind of see if we would like it. You know, just checking out how, how the producer guy works and how, how like.

Speaker 3: 21:41

What's the studio like? Is it, you know? Is it, is it legit or is it, you know? But it was 100% legit. Great studio, everything you know. But it was 100% legit. Great studio, everything. Everything that comes out of that studio, whatever genre it is. I you know from a producer's ear. I guess you could say me just listening to country or singer, songwriter, kind of stuff. I'll go through the catalog of what has come out of that studio and try to nitpick and find something wrong with it Production wise. Okay, I can't find anything wrong.

Speaker 3: 22:12

They're pretty tight then yeah just huge sounding drums. Everything sounds so full and crystal clear and I'm like that's what we want, because we've been to a couple different little studios friends of ours and we've tried to record at home and it's not quite to our abilities. That takes a whole other skill course. You know skill, yeah. But yeah, we recorded both songs there and we've got some more songs that are in the can over there that we're finishing up and, yeah, just everything that has come out of there from other artists and from us has just been super killer and we're really happy with the production, the way that everything come out well, that's so important to the bands.

Speaker 1: 22:52

You know that's your, that's your brand, that's your product right. You never want to go. And well, number one, you never want to go, spend all your money on a crappy, you know recording. But I mean sometimes it pays to spend a little bit more money for better quality. You know it always sounds good. Oh well, we'll just do it in the home studio or whatever it's gonna be.

Speaker 3: 23:12

And we've tried, we've tried to go that route and it's just like we would go and listen back to what we did and man it just it sounds like luster sounds like it was recorded in a cardboard box just, it's just, I get it you know, and I'm always thinking, like, what other people are going to think when they hear like, oh, like, oh, well, that sounds kind of.

Speaker 3: 23:30

You know, and I just you know, this is our. These songs are our baby, more or less. So we want them to sound killer and we want to.

Speaker 1: 23:36

you know, yep, you always got to put your best foot forward, right, and if that means spending a little bit more time or a little bit more money, that's what you do as an artist right at the end of the day of the day. The band's name kaleidoscope project to me this kind of evokes a sense of fluidity and change, if you will. How does the name kaleidoscope project connect with your music and the themes that you guys explore? Like, I mean, kind of tell the listeners where the name came from at first the name just kind of happened.

Speaker 3: 24:13

So I mentioned earlier when we had that throw down gig at the coffee shop.

Speaker 3: 24:17

You know we need to come up with a band name like now okay so we just spit that out okay and then when we, you know, went back to the drawing board and had the new three piece, right then and there, okay, well, you know, are we going to stick with that name? Yeah, let's stick with it, because it's kind of cool, you know, and we all came from different kind of not necessarily styles, but we had different tastes and the rock, music and stuff that we were listening to at the time and, um, kind of all just brought it together and had our own little flair and flavor of what we wanted to combine into the band. Sure, so we, we wanted to do some different stuff that not every band was playing in town cover wise, like we didn't want to play mary jane's last dance and brown eye girl and stuff like that, even though they're fan favorites.

Speaker 1: 25:02

We wanted to rock out and play like kiss and zeppelin and, of course, stuff that people weren't doing stuff that gets your blood kind of flowing right, yeah, you think of a kaleidoscope, and there could be listeners to this show that have no clue what a kaleidoscope is, but you know it does. It's about fluidity, or change, because when you look into a kaleidoscope you see all different kinds of colors and stuff like that, and you also associate a kaleidoscope with you know, maybe back to the hippie era of the, you know, late 60s or whatever, and there's a vibe that you guys have going on, would you? Would you agree with that? That? You kind of have that kind of we're all old souls kind of thing, right, it's a really cool thing, right, but would you agree with that?

Speaker 3: 25:47

oh yeah, for we try to. We try to bring back some of the classic kind of vibe, you know, but still in some cases keep a little bit more modern ish sort of stuff, because you know we're we're a lot younger and stuff like that. But you got it. We're trying to appeal to all of the people. You know we want to try to attract a younger crowd and, you know, keep the older crowd as well, of course, because they're the ones, they're the ones coming out and spending the money on us no, I, I totally get it.

Speaker 1: 26:13

Well, how do you work with other members of the band to shape the sound and the direction of the music? How often are you guys getting together and collaborating on new stuff? Is it once a blue moon? Is it every week? Talk to me a little bit.

Speaker 3: 26:30

Well, we're supposed to get together tomorrow and rehearse. We try to get together at least once a week and it really just depends on everybody's schedules. We all work day jobs and some of us play in different bands and some of us are finishing up school and stuff like that, and just, you know, priorities and stuff are kind of in the way. But you know, we got to do what we got to do to make things work and we make it work at the end of the day. Sometimes we don't see each other for a couple weeks because something might you know, of course might have come up in the schedule and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 27:02

So we try to get together once a week, but you never know so the idea is really to collaborate at least once a week.

Speaker 1: 27:10

Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, but that's kind of the idea, yeah but we're all talking on a daily basis and working on.

Speaker 3: 27:17

Okay, let's, let's do this for this day and let's, you know, throw a new set together for this show. Or, you know, let's plan out this for this upcoming show over here for this rally gig. Whatever we, we're always doing something.

Speaker 1: 27:31

So it's important to you guys when you go out and play like you're constantly working on new material to cover. It's not just kind of the same old set list every time.

Speaker 3: 27:39

Yeah we try to add some new songs in for every other gig, or so Sure.

Speaker 1: 27:45

Are there specific members of the band that you collaborate with closer than others? Or is it really this democracy where you guys are all kind of bouncing ideas off of one another, or does it fall back to one or two people in the band?

Speaker 3: 28:04

Man, it's, it's. We're constantly just bouncing off of each other and just, yeah, different ideas and stuff. Somebody might have a suggestion for this part in a song. Let's, let's do this drum fill here, let's do this baseline there, and that's. With both bands you were always real open to suggestions and stuff like that, and yeah, we're all really open about what we want to do and sometimes you get, you know, you get in this band situation and it's not really a democracy.

Speaker 1: 28:29

It's like maybe one person is leading the band and has all the ideas, is writing all the songs and the others are players. Maybe sometimes there's two people and then you know, sometimes it's the whole band. So that's why I was kind of curious and what about from a Skins perspective? Is it kind of the same with the Skins or is that a whole different dynamic in that band?

Speaker 3: 28:50

It's pretty much the same. We all come up with different ideas for songs that we want to play, and it might have been songs that they were playing 30 years ago, that are know, that are still in the set list, but you know they rock and everybody still still enjoys playing them, and we throw some new stuff here and there and just keep it fresh.

Speaker 1: 29:09

Sure, sure Well, the band sound kind of blends a variety of genres, I believe. How would you describe the music to someone that has never heard, specifically the Kaleidoscope project?

Speaker 3: 29:26

I would probably say, maybe like psychedelic, hard rock-ish Sure, you know.

Speaker 1: 29:34

What about for the skins? Same question for the skins.

Speaker 3: 29:37

Man, kind of somewhat the same thing, maybe a little bit more deep track, b-side kind of stuff because, the skins really do a lot of b-side stuff that not every band plays like. We'll do grand funk and cream sure but not sunshine of your love like we're doing, like tales of brady lissies and stuff like that yeah robin trower and all kinds of cool stuff it's uh, sometimes the b-sides are like totally cool.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Oh yeah, sometimes the b-sides are better than the a-side, it depends how you go about it.

Speaker 3: 30:10

The cool thing with the skins, though and I've been playing with them for four years now, and even though they're doing kind of b-side songs, it's stuff that you definitely know it's not like, it's not like we're playing blood rock or anything like that, that's like way out there. It's, it's you know. You've definitely heard these songs at some point in time, especially if you were around back when you know, of course, on the radio and stuff.

Speaker 1: 30:35

If you listen to the albums you know like you definitely heard those songs there's one that comes to mind and and Chris and I sometimes we don't cover it very often, but Elvis did a 45, many years ago and the B side is what we play, and it was a song called don't be cruel, right, and I think cheap trick did a rendition of that later on, but the a side, I believe, was a hound dog right, which was a huge hit.

Speaker 1: 31:04

But rarely does the B side become a hit. But in this case, for Elvis, the B side was just as big a hit as the A side.

Speaker 3: 31:12

You definitely heard it, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 31:15

Are there specific genres, sounds or influences that you guys are currently exploring that you'd like to build into either project, or is it kind of a set it and forget it mentality and it just is what it is? How often are you thinking about different ways to incorporate new things into either of the bands?

Speaker 3: 31:42

Man for the skins? I don't really have an answer for that. We're always adding in new songs, but I don't think we're trying to go for any side genre, so to say For Kaleidoscope. We have talked about doing some country. I know that's kind of a shock, it's. It's pretty popular, especially like the newer country and stuff like red, dirt ish kind of stuff.

Speaker 3: 32:05

You know country rock and stuff that we could definitely pull off, and it would. It would fit the band to a certain extent, but not not like chicken picking twangy guitar kind of stuff. You know we've talked about doing some country stuff and we've actually rehearsed some, but it's just a matter of finding the right kind of tunes that fit the hard rocking vibe that we've got. But that's just in the talks, you know, of what's to come, right.

Speaker 1: 32:31

Well, when I dig into Kaleidoscope Project and kind of see what you guys are doing, I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around what kind of country song you guys are doing. I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around what kind of country song you guys would do so give the listeners right that know. Kaleidoscope Project. What kind of stuff might you guys work on, man?

Speaker 3: 32:55

you're going to have to forgive me because I'm not real country savvy. Kat and Sam are the biggest country heads in the band. They're always throwing these songs at me. Have you heard this? And I'm not real country savvy. Cat and Sam are the biggest country heads in the band.

Speaker 3: 33:02

They're always throwing these songs at me oh, have you heard this? And I'm like no, but I'll listen to some of the guitar parts and I'm like man, that kind of rips. So I can't really give you any songs or artists because I cannot remember them right off the hand.

Speaker 1: 33:19

Well, you know what you just said, and myself, like you, I started playing out solo back in 2016. I did the band things way back in the 80s, then went on this hiatus where I did nothing from a live music perspective, and then, 2016, I said you know, I'm gonna start playing shows Later, got with Chris and started doing this duo thing, but I, like you, was never a country guy before 2016. Now, of course, I'd heard country, but if I went to buy a vinyl or a CD or whatever, it was never a country, it was record, it was, you know, the Aussies, the Monkees.

Speaker 1: 33:59

It was all of that stuff, record it was, you know, the aussies, the models, it was all of that stuff and as a solo or duo you have to break out of that. That. I only know one genre mentality now. Like you guys, you have a vibe. You have a thing going on with both bands right and you don't have to break out of that.

Speaker 1: 34:18

Everybody says, oh, kaleidoscope project, you know hard rock and band, right, whatever right, but but when you're more of a, say, a duo, you fit into these places, that we probably play some of the same places, right, but you become more of this background thing going on. You're not, you're not. You're on the stage but you're not performing, so to speak right you're playing but you're not performing.

Speaker 1: 34:44

So I said well, you know what we've really got to break out of that rock and roll genre? We've got to get some red dirt, we've got to get some Americana, because that touches so many different people, right?

Speaker 3: 34:55

so yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:55

I had to become familiar with it too. Kind of like you're kind of doing right even from a musician standpoint.

Speaker 3: 35:02

You know like I'm all about the hard rock and stuff like that, but you can dabble into some different genres and learn some really cool stuff, whether it's jazz or country. You know, like you're listening like jerry reed and stuff like that and you hear all those like ripping country licks and roy clark and stuff like that not my favorite. Hear all those like ripping country licks and Roy Clark and stuff like that Not my favorite music. But if you really sit there and watch the guitar playing on YouTube, or you listen to it.

Speaker 1: 35:28

It's really, oh my gosh it's great.

Speaker 3: 35:30

Now, as far as, like the jazz fusion guys and stuff like that, you know playing all these ripping solos.

Speaker 1: 35:36

I can't wrap my mind around it at all, but it's, you learn a little bit of something from it you made a good point there and I think I think a lot of times by maybe non-musicians, country guitarists might get overlooked a little bit when it comes to just like being real technical players, it's always like oh, the rock and roll, people just shred right. You, you know, you threw out, you know Jerry Reed and a couple of others, but these are, these are top notch, world-class pickers right and when you think of guys like Brad Paisley, keith Urban, billy Strings?

Speaker 1: 36:14

like all of these guys are on another planet from a picking perspective right. They're not your. They're not your campfire guy that's sitting around three chords and the truth right. I mean these are players, right, they're really good, and I think that goes unnoticed a lot of times, because those guys aren't showboating like rock and roll people are right and you would probably agree with that right.

Speaker 1: 36:37

The rock and roll thing is all about the experience. And hey, everybody, all eyes on me, I'm. The rock and roll thing is all about the experience. And hey, everybody, I'm the all eyes on me I'm the rock and roll star yeah 100. Totally talk to me real quick about. You threw a couple of names around earlier. I wanted you to share the lineup with both bands. Tell the listeners who's in kaleidoscope project and what instruments they play, and then do the same for the skins, if you would be so kind.

Speaker 3: 37:03

So Kaleidoscope Project is Sam Hernandez. He's on center vocals and I do occasional backup vocals here and there and play lead guitar. Catherine O'Brien is our bass player. Occasionally she may sing some backup. We're still working on adding some new stuff in there with her singing. We're actually thinking about having her switch off and just do center vocals and have Sam play bass, because he plays a little bit of guitar and bass too.

Speaker 4: 37:29

So we're always working on new stuff.

Speaker 3: 37:31

And Nicholas Schultz, he's our drummer. He's been with me since day one and, yeah, I met Nick at a Whitesnake concert, standing in line at a Whitesnake concert. Standing in line at a Whitesnake concert that's how I met him and like oh, you play drums, I play guitarless jam.

Speaker 1: 37:46

Really so, yeah, and you just happen to be from the same part of town.

Speaker 3: 37:51

I live in Conroe and he lives in the woodlands, like near the pavilion, oh well that's not far right.

Speaker 1: 37:55

Y'all are neighbors, yeah for the most part so how cool of a story is that right?

Speaker 3: 38:00

very cool so and as for the skins, they have been around. I've been playing with them for about four years, the skins, even though on the t-shirts it says established 1995, I I don't even think they remember when they started the band. They've probably been around for 35 years or so. Yeah, so currently the lineup is me on bass, uh, bobby lewis on vocals, harmonica, percussion, everything else, mercy valdez on lead guitar and carlos cervantes on drums, and yeah, we just rock it out. Yeah, that's really fun band to play with.

Speaker 1: 38:41

Tell me about the transition going between the bass guitar and a six-string guitar. One's a four. Well, you probably play maybe you're playing a five-string, I don't know, I'm assuming here. But how is it an easy transition for you?

Speaker 3: 38:57

Well, I've dabbled in playing bass for some time. Transition for you. Well, I've dabbled in playing bass for some time but I never really like sank way deep into it up until I started playing with the Skins. Okay, Now, how I became a part of their band was at the time during COVID and all of that stuff like that. You know, Kaleidoscope was under reconstruction, we were looking for a new singer, we were kind of reforming the band and stuff like that. So I didn't have any gigs.

Speaker 4: 39:24

Nobody had any gigs.

Speaker 3: 39:26

So then when everything started kind of opening back up and becoming normal again, I started helping host some open mics at the Jailhouse Saloon in Old Town, spring, okay. So they needed a bass player and I was like, well, I'll just do that. You know, nobody else wanted to play bass but I was like I'll make me some side money and learn something, of course. So, and I met the skins years ago at the jailhouse jam before I was hosting it, just when I would come out there and jam and I remember those guys showing up and I'm thinking, who are these guys? Never seen them before? And they got up there and set up and the the next thing I know they start, they bust into some B-side Zeppelin song and my jaw hit the floor and I was like holy crap look at this.

Speaker 4: 40:06

This is cool.

Speaker 3: 40:08

So, yeah, I was friends with them ever since. I was like these guys are awesome.

Speaker 1: 40:11

Cool story.

Speaker 3: 40:12

So I was hosting the Jailhouse Open Mic Jams playing bass, and the three guys show up it was Bobby, mercy and Carlos and Greg the bass player wasn't there and I was like, well, where's Greg? Well, he decided he was going to do something different, so we're looking for a bass player. All right, well, I'm playing bass tonight for the jam. Y'all want to get up there and play, I don't know. And Bobby goes and gets a set list out of his car and it's like do you know any of these songs? I'm like I can, I can, you know, feel my way through it, right? So they got up there and we were playing I think we did, uh, some ZZ Top, led Zeppelin, stuff like that, you know, stuff that we all knew, of course and I was like, okay, yeah, that rocks. Uh, come back out next week, I'll have the whole set list down that's cool.

Speaker 3: 41:00

And they did. And then, well, would you consider playing bass for us? And I'm like, yeah sure I don't have any gigs, let's do it. And they only gig about a couple times a month or so. Sometimes we might gig three times a month, it just depends on what happens in the schedule. So it's a great band, fun band to play with.

Speaker 1: 41:18

I think the question probably goes without asking, but I'll ask it anyway, just because that's what I do. If you had a preference, would it be bass guitar or six-string guitar?

Speaker 3: 41:30

Guitar all the way.

Speaker 1: 41:31

Sure yeah so you're not a bassist by trade, right.

Speaker 3: 41:35

Not necessarily. I enjoy it because it's fun. And what I don't really get but I kind of get at the same time is whenever I have a Skins gig and I promote it. People come out and watch me play and they're like oh, you're playing bass, we wanted to watch you play guitar. I'm like, wow, that's still fun, it's great music. But we do switch off and I play guitar on some songs, yeah, so that's always fun.

Speaker 3: 41:59

But I enjoy playing bass a lot because I've learned a lot. I'm starting to hear different things in the songs that I've had been playing for years that I never really picked up and noticed until I was behind the bass. Yeah, you know, and it's a powerhouse job too. There's nothing better than playing bass and locking in with the drums, and you're the glue behind everything.

Speaker 1: 42:23

100 I've always said the bass guitar is I don't for, for lack of a better description, it's just a sexy instrument because it is the rhythm section and intricate bass lines are so cool how they fit into the song.

Speaker 1: 42:39

And you know it's funny because the first guitar I was I came up as a classical pianist, right. That's kind of was my musical background as a young kid and then I morphed into guitar later on. But the funny thing is the first, I think the first guitar I ever got was a bass guitar, but I was always a vocalist and I and I bought that bass guitar because of all people like I love Nikki Sixx. Now, when you look at Nikki Sixx from a bass player perspective not in the top 100, right, of all the bass players, right but you have to admit the crew had a thing going on back in the 80s they were cool.

Speaker 1: 43:17

They were cool, yeah, oh yeah, and so I'm like that's me, I want to be that guy, right oh?

Speaker 3: 43:22

yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:22

Grow your hair out, play the bass guitar. There was just something about him and the bass guitar and I learned quickly that, being a vocalist, you couldn't take a bass guitar out by the fire or out by the pool and play a song and sing, you know, because that's.

Speaker 3: 43:36

It ends up being kind of lame at that point.

Speaker 1: 43:39

It's like, okay, I've got to trade the bass guitar in for an acoustic, so that's kind of you know, you're sitting in the studio here. That's kind of you see, my love for acoustic guitars Because that's really all I play, or the acoustics rarely do I ever plug an electric guitar in, but total fascination with the acoustic guitar and I don't know, do you play much acoustic?

Speaker 3: 44:06

I know you're the rock and roll girl. I've got a couple acoustics. I don't play them as much as I should, but I've here. Lately I've been playing some more acoustic stuff. I've actually been trying to work up some songs, more songs to sing and play, because that's not really my forte.

Speaker 3: 44:14

I can sing and play maybe a handful of songs, because I've always just played guitar from day one up until different lineup changes with Kaleidoscope and I kind of, you know, with the first lineup change and then the second lineup change. It's. It really got me thinking, man, if we don't find a singer, then I'm going to have to start singing or something, because who else is going to do it?

Speaker 3: 44:36

you know, so that's been a project of mine for the last couple years is just working on singing and playing and I'm getting to where I'm pretty good at doing backup vocals and stuff like that. But you have to kind of retrain yourself to do it. You have to be really shoot what's the word like? Like I can't think of the word. But when you're playing guitar and you're really really comfortable with what you're doing and then you try to sing on top of it and then you forget how to play guitar.

Speaker 1: 45:05

Sure.

Speaker 3: 45:06

You got to make it second nature you know.

Speaker 1: 45:08

I would say that a good example of that. There's a thing about hockey players that they do some amazing things on the ice, right with the puck, and the skating is the prerequisite. You have to be a great skater, but you have to be so good at it that you never think about what your feet are doing. You're thinking about the vision of the ice. You're thinking about who am I passing to or my passing lane's open. Never once do they say well, if I step over, you know with this foot I'm going to slip and fall. It never is a thought process.

Speaker 3: 45:42

Whatever song that you're playing on guitar, you might think that you're good at it then, but now try to sing and play it. Sure, you have to make it so second nature, you can't think about it at all. There's a handful of songs that I can sing and play, but sometimes I might have to think about it a little bit so I can get my footing right. But going back to playing acoustic guitar, I've been kind of sitting more and trying to work on some songs to sing and play, because I think the goal would be later on down the road to kind of maybe do some solo shows or stuff like that, or maybe do some duo shows where I'm singing and playing guitar, maybe Sam comes out and sings some songs and we do a duo thing, make some extra side money and stuff like that get into some different gigs in different places.

Speaker 1: 46:27

You know 100% yeah, because everybody's doing it.

Speaker 3: 46:29

So make a little side jack, you know for sure, and they're fun you know, and that's just something just kind of in the works and just a thought yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:37

Well, I asked you earlier about whether you consider yourself a songwriter and I kind of ask you the same question about singing. Do you consider yourself a vocalist? No, not so much. No, not at all. Yeah, you know your lane right Well.

Speaker 3: 46:52

I've actually had people say man, your voice is really good.

Speaker 1: 46:54

And I'm like and I listened to a video of somebody who recorded me at the gig and I'm like I don't know about all that, yeah, but in all fairness to you though, sadie, like everybody, everybody that sings sometime and hears a recording of their voice, or even even their talking voice, is appalled by that oh no, I'm sure when I go home and listen to this podcast I'm gonna be like, oh my gosh, but you know, but.

Speaker 1: 47:20

But you know what's interesting about that? I used to feel the same exact way, and maybe it's because I've done this I mean, it's going on four years now, right, and I've heard myself so many times. I don't think that anymore. I'm not saying that I sound great, or I think that I sound great. I just don't think about oh, that didn't you know, that doesn't sound good, right, it's just. It becomes.

Speaker 3: 47:41

I've heard it so many times you get used to hearing your own natural now, but when you don't listen to things and edit things down over and over again. It's like that one off is just it's like nails on a chalkboard.

Speaker 1: 47:53

Right, I didn't. I didn't need to hear that, right, that's horrible for you. Top three guitarist of all time. Oh gosh, I'm jumping ahead of myself a little bit.

Speaker 3: 48:04

Man, I got so many favorites. Jimmy Page is my favorite. Now, if you're a Zeppelin fan, you know that Jimmy Page can be sloppy, so I'm going to go ahead and say it he is sloppy, live in the studio. Genius, complete genius. That's what made me want to start playing guitar when I heard Heartbreaker and A Whole Lotta Love and those solos, oh my gosh, just and still, I'm just like man. Those are awesome man. Other favorite guitar players I don't know if I can name three.

Speaker 1: 48:41

They all have their own thing that you like about them'm not with you there. It's, it's um, it's a fun question to ask, but it would be like somebody asking you what's your favorite song. Oh, I like seven million different songs, right, and they're, they're all my favorite when they're my favorite, right. So to pick one out to say that's like the best song ever, there's no way I could ever answer such a question.

Speaker 3: 49:00

Number two let's go with Randy Rhoades. Hearing his playing and his phrasing and stuff like that is really what made me want to start learning more solo guitar.

Speaker 1: 49:09

Sure.

Speaker 3: 49:10

You know, and learning how to rip and shred like that, even though I can only play maybe one of the solos. But you know just learning, you know, the stuff that he did on those records and just going back and listening to old demos and stuff if you can find them, because there's so little footage of him.

Speaker 4: 49:26

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 49:27

I think he died when he was like 25, 24. Yeah, yeah, really, the amount of stuff that he accomplished in just a short period of time is killer. Now for number three. I'm going to do a little mashup here, but these three guitarists kind of have somewhat the same flair and it's really the sound I think we're going to go with. Robin Trower. I love the univibe and the swirly kind of psychedelic-ish kind of thing, kind of a Hendrix sort of thing. But yeah, I like robin traver just a little bit more. I don't know, it's just something about it. Wow, robin travers, killer. Pat travers, I love that hard rock. You know the flanger that's rolling on those records and just man, it just rocks.

Speaker 3: 50:16

And frank marino yeah you know I I I came across, I collect vinyl. I mentioned that earlier. There was a record in one of my piles that I I didn't know what it was, but I didn't throw it away. I was like I don't know who that is, but I'm gonna keep it digging through my my record album stash and I'm like frank frank marino maogany Rush Live, what is that? I threw that on and my life changed.

Speaker 3: 50:43

I was like this is yes this is just the SG and the tone that was coming out of that, oh my gosh, it rocks Like that really opened up my eyes to that's it.

Speaker 1: 50:55

That's cool. This is so weird, like you're kind of blowing me away with these names that you're dropping Right, and I say that because I will bet I'll go on record to say that, well, I don't know, let's just say, the casual music fan, like, let's say, the listeners here in Houston alone. Right, let's say we only had a hundred listeners to this podcast, which we'll have a lot more. But of the hundred, I'll bet you that 75 to 80 of them have never heard a few of the names that you've dropped, right? Robin Trower, you know. Pat Travers, frank Marino, like, seriously, you know what I mean. Yeah, you, you have to be in tune with that music. Or or a guitar player yourself and those are yeah a lot of those guys are the guitar players.

Speaker 1: 51:46

Guitar player right at the end of the day, but especially the last, the last three that I mentioned yeah, they never had quote unquote hit like commercial hit songs right you either knew these guys or you didn't know these guys.

Speaker 1: 51:59

They weren't like cheap trick or all the big names that you heard that had. So when you said those, it's like okay, there's going to be a lot of people that don't know who the hell she's talking about, but that's really cool because I know all of the people that you just mentioned. So great choices and all of them great pickers in their own rights for sure. For your fans, who have supported both of your efforts the Kaleidoscope Project and the Skins is there a message that you'd like to share with them?

Speaker 3: 52:31

Man, just thanks for the support and thanks for coming out to the shows and just keeping it real.

Speaker 3: 52:37

Yeah, because even in this day after covid and stuff and people are, you know, still kind of getting back into the swing of things and stuff. It's, you know, thanks for coming out to the shows and just, yeah, keeping it real and keeping the live music thing going, because it's there's a lot of venues in town that are closing down and a lot of places going away and it's, it's not. It's not as thriving in some spots as it used to be.

Speaker 3: 53:01

Yeah, no, I get what you're talking about, even from hearing, like old stories that the guys tell me in the skins like you know them playing up and down the Spring Branch area like four and five, no, four and three nights a week. Yeah, and they're like man, the bars just used to be so hopping back when and it's like you just don't see that now.

Speaker 1: 53:20

Well, you know, back in the day, back in the 80s.

Speaker 3: 53:22

That was before cell phones.

Speaker 1: 53:24

Yeah, there was the Richmond Strip.

Speaker 1: 53:26

And you know people, there were bands playing up and down the Richmond Strip. You could just literally go from one bar to the next. You could hear music coming out of every place. You know it's kind of this New Orleans vibe not quite like New Orleans, where I mean New Orleans like Bourbon Street, it's all. It's just noise pollution there. But I mean the bars were far enough apart. But I mean you could go in literally to any of those bars on the Richmond Strip and there was live music in them.

Speaker 1: 53:54

And Brett Axelson you mentioned him earlier.

Speaker 1: 53:57

You know, I've had guys like him Kent Newman, stacy Steele All these guys were staples in the scene on the Richmond Strip and so it was a big thing back in the day. But I largely agree with you Music is funny these days, especially from a duo perspective, because you're playing good stuff, stuff that people vibe with, but you're just kind of an overlay. You're playing good stuff, stuff that people vibe with, but you're just kind of an overlay, and I can see where musicians might get disheartened by the reaction of people.

Speaker 3: 54:29

These days and I think I've got several I've kind of witnessed it here and there at some gigs and it's kind of making me really think, like man, what are we gonna do 15 years, 20 years, hopefully, you know, when we get older, you know, and our crowd moves on sure because we mainly play to an older crowd and they're.

Speaker 3: 54:54

They're the ones coming out and drinking and tipping and buying our merch and stuff. You know, I'm 27, I'll still say kids, but you know the kids that we went to high school with. They're not coming out to our shows, they don't even get out of the house.

Speaker 4: 55:07

You know they don't go to concerts.

Speaker 3: 55:08

They don't go do stuff like that. They'd rather sit on their phone.

Speaker 1: 55:12

Yeah that, or play video games or something like that.

Speaker 3: 55:14

It's a different time, I think, and I was talking to a country music guy the other day on the phone and he's always posting online about how, you know, the live music scene is kind of suffering and well, I'm not going to play full band shows anymore, I'm just going to do my duo or my solo thing, maybe a duo thing, because people just don't appreciate music anymore. And it's kind of disheartening in a way because it's like man, like he really is just shooting this down. Yeah, you know, but if you look at it it's it's kind of sort of dying off in a way. Music is not appreciated like it once was, and I mean that in like the the sincerest of ways. People used to go out to shows. They'd go out to concerts and stuff and spend the money and just go out and have a great time. Now you don't really have to do that, you have cell phones.

Speaker 1: 56:07

Yes.

Speaker 3: 56:08

People have five-second attention spans when they're scrolling online and they'll see a TikTok or a reel or something. Squirrel Music has kind of, in a sense sense, become a novelty. Yeah, it's not, you know. I'll go back and mention collecting vinyl sure you know, when I was 12, 13, 14 years old, sitting in my bedroom floor listening to a kiss record and you open up the record reading the liner yeah, and you get all the little baseball cards and all that crap that's in there and it's just.

Speaker 3: 56:40

It's cool. You're jamming out and you're looking at all the pictures and you know people don't do that anymore. Now record, you can go buy new vinyl and cds and stuff here and there, but it's not. People don't actively go out and do it like they did, sure they'd. You can listen to something on your phone and stream a piece of an album, but it's not a tangible item anymore. People don't go out and hold that vinyl and hold that CD and read the lining and stuff like that. So it's back to thanking the people for coming out and supporting the shows, because it really does mean a lot that people take the time out of their day to come and see us play and throw a couple dollars in the tip jar and hey, you sounded great or whatever and buy a t-shirt or a koozie or something like that. You know, just supporting it.

Speaker 3: 57:28

And if we can just keep encouraging people to, you know, hey, just you know, save up a little side change and come out and watch a show every now and then. Bring your friends, Just have a good time.

Speaker 1: 57:47

You know, just to keep it alive because it's it's kind of suffering? Yeah, and it's. It's scary.

Speaker 3: 57:49

Well, I know the artist that you're talking about okay, and we'll leave it at that. I don't want, I don't want, I don't want a bad mouth, no no, and you're really not, because there's a lot of truth to that.

Speaker 1: 57:57

There is, there really is, because I pay attention to that at my shows and you look out and it's just. People seem to be really self-absorbed these days. Like you said, they're in the phones. The phones are the world to people. These days.

Speaker 3: 58:10

And to kind of jump back on that subject, I mentioned that I experienced it myself at a couple shows. And man, we'd be rocking out rick derringer's rock and roll, hoochie coo, and just slamming on the stage, just rocking out, you know. And then we get done and then one person claps, you know, and I'm like yeah, and I'm sitting there. I turn around and look and I'm like really, and do we sound like shit or what? Like you know, but no, we don't, you know it's, and okay, and start up the next song and rock it out. You know, and Like you know, but no, we don't, you know it's, and okay, and start up the next song and rock it out.

Speaker 3: 58:43

You know, and, and that's. You know, and the stage presence and stuff kind of takes a play in that too. Like I'm, when I get done with a gig the next day, I can't hardly walk, sure Cause all this stuff. But I'm like you know, and I'll step off the stage and look at somebody and, like you know, make eye-to-eye contact and just try to you know like, like, like, sing to them with my eyes and my guitar and just try to get them to get into it and they just look at.

Speaker 3: 59:11

They'll just look at me and take a rip off of their vape. And just what are you doing?

Speaker 1: 59:14

you know what I'm like oh my gosh it's, it's a real thing, for sure, and it's for a musician. We go off vibe, we go off of energy, right, and I believe that I've often said this and I don't play music for a living. I, I have a day job, just like you do, yeah, and I think the people that make a living playing music would somewhat disagree, but what I'm going to say is the applause or the validation that we love the song. Great Job is more important to me than putting a $5 bill in my tip jar.

Speaker 4: 59:54

Sure, sure, sure, it's the energy.

Speaker 1: 59:56

Give me the energy. I'll take the energy all day over. The money, the dollar or whatever you're going to put in my tip jar.

Speaker 3: 1:00:03

There's been times where we've played gigs that we might have made killer tips and there might have been wall-to-wall people in there. Or there has been times where we've made no tips and there's wall-to-wall people in there. But it's like what was the better gig? Oh man, it's just hey, having a crowd is better than playing to nobody.

Speaker 3: 1:00:25

But you know thankfully, we've got a pretty good crowd that follows us around and we promote the heck out of our shows and try to ensure that there's a lot of people on our shows, because we want to make the venues happy and we want them to, to have us back and we want the word to get around and get new gigs and new. You know possibilities and potentials and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 1:00:48

You know, market yourself Well, yeah Well, it's the energy. It's the energy that keeps us, and more so guys like yourself in a band. That. It's that energy from the crowd that brings you back night after night, that makes you love why you go out there.

Speaker 1: 1:01:05

You're there to entertain Like it's not about a dollar, it's not. It's. That's a by-product of what we do, right, Okay, great, we got a paycheck at the end of the night. But you know, those 50 people that were out there, those hundred people were all clapping after every song. That's way more important to me Now I'm speaking for myself to me than it is the money portion.

Speaker 3: 1:01:27

And that goes back to the early days of Kaleidoscope, when we first started and the the other band it's we wanted to get out of the rock club scene where we we didn't have people there and we wanted to play the biker bars and the beer joints where the people were, it's like cause we wanted to play for the people and have that, that reaction you know, that's what we wanted.

Speaker 1: 1:01:48

I totally get it. Well, I wanted to do a couple of uh kind of what I'd prefer to as a rapid fire question. Just a quick answer. Um you can elaborate if you like. I a quick answer. Um, you can elaborate if you like. I'm not telling you not to, but just something quick. Favorite song to perform live from both bands, if you, if you think about both bands, is there one that stick out in your mind?

Speaker 3: 1:02:10

oh, oh gosh. Um man, I think probably right now for kaleidoscope probably favorite song to play is Cold Gin by Kiss, because we used to have that in the set list a long time ago and it was just kind of sitting there for a while. We never really played it up until here.

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

Recently we brought it back and it's just yeah, and then people get a kick out of that when we're playing this they're like, oh my God, they're playing that's, that's, that's a fun one to play, but I enjoy playing all these, all the songs with them. You know, we do some pat drivers, we do, uh, we do some zeppelin eagles, and well, we play the eagles, but we rock out the eagles like like you wouldn't believe we're not like the no we're not we. No, it's not peaceful, easy feeling. We're playing Life in the Fast Lane but we're rocking it out like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 3: 1:03:07

So it's fun. We kind of take our own spin on some of the songs too. We'll play them pretty much like the record, but we're putting our spin on it energy-wise, of course.

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

What about from a skins perspective? Were you referring to the skins there? Was that all?

Speaker 3: 1:03:23

that was. That was all kaleidoscope there for that.

Speaker 1: 1:03:25

What about the same question?

Speaker 3: 1:03:27

skins shoot man, I don't know. There's a lot of really cool bass lines in some of those songs that I I enjoy playing. Oh um well, we usually open up the show playing moving on by bad company and I have really had to study and learn that bass line because it's, I think, bosborough. He plays a fretless sure I'm sitting there listening to the record, I'm like oh my god, I don't know what's going on. I can't really hear the notes because they're kind of yeah, that's a fun bass line. I really enjoy that.

Speaker 1: 1:04:01

Paul Rogers, one of the greatest rock and roll singers. Oh yeah, Bad Company, yeah. And you mentioned Kiss earlier, and I'm excited because I think it's late January or early February. I'll be having Bruce Kulik on my show, who was, I think, the third guitarist for Kiss, so it was of course Ace then I think Vinnie.

Speaker 3: 1:04:21

Benson and then I think Bruce was the third, it might have been him or Mark St John, I don't know. Yeah, maybe it was, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:04:29

I'll do my homework, for sure before the interview. But yeah, there's been a few guitarists, but Bruce will be on my show, so I'm looking forward to that one. Yeah, if I said Sadie, dream collaboration, if you could play with anybody on a record or live, who would that one person be? Guitarist, vocalist, drummer, whatever right, I know you're a guitarist, I'm a guitarist, but we'll go off the guitarist grid even man you didn't know these were going to be so hard. Yeah, I know there's so many possibilities.

Speaker 3: 1:05:02

Yeah, well thing I'm sure well, some time ago I met robert plant in dallas. Okay, you know, that was a dream come true. I I'm still to this day. I'm just like, oh my God, I met Robert Plant. I think it'd be cool to play with him.

Speaker 1: 1:05:18

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:05:19

He just seems like he's, you know, and I've met him and talked to him and he's super, super cool, chill, real down to earth and he's doing the sensational space shifters and his other bands, man. They kind of had like some psychedelic rocked out fusion ish kind of stuff and it was pretty cool. You know, I wouldn't mind playing in that.

Speaker 3: 1:05:42

I would have to tone it down some because I wouldn't be able to rip and shred like I normally do, but that'd be kind of cool, just, you know, being side by side with one of your heroes, I think yeah but I think, um, on another level, listening to some of those pat travers live albums, like even the you know, go for what you know and stuff like that, and even some of the more recent ones that he had come out with with uh, uh, either mars cowling playing bass or uh Sandy Gennaro playing drums or Kirk McKim on there Badass badass uh, live albums. I that you know that's.

Speaker 4: 1:06:25

That's what a live show should sound like you know, if you listen to some of those mixes on it.

Speaker 3: 1:06:29

That'd be, that'd be killer to rock out on a gig like that.

Speaker 1: 1:06:32

So you know what I I'm. I'm kind of geeked out to like you know. You said earlier and I even agreed with you, led Zeppelin big influence, loved all the Zeppelin stuff over the years.

Speaker 1: 1:06:43

But you know, back in the back in the eighties I really attached myself to the solo efforts by Robert Plant you know, you know um you know um the now in Zen album, I think pictures at 11, there's so many good tunes and um a lot of that sticks out in my mind from my childhood Like some of the most formidable stuff was just Robert Plant solo stuff, right the honey drippers, oh yeah. Yeah, right, like obscure stuff. That if you again, if you talk to 10 people that say I love Zeppelin they've never listened to a full Robert Plant solo record, right.

Speaker 3: 1:07:22

And you might have the ones that kind of poo-poo on it but they haven't really listened to it all the way through. But you can definitely hear some of the Zepp kind of stuff in there. The first album that he came out with. It wasn't Pictures at 11. It was oh wait, maybe it was. Maybe it was. What was the second one that had Big Log on it and Other Arms?

Speaker 1: 1:07:40

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:07:40

That was the second one. What was the first one, called Crap?

Speaker 1: 1:07:44

Oh, Principles of the Moment that was the first one, that's. He had Principle, the Principle of Moments, then it was Pictures at Eleven, and then I think it was Now and Then yeah, okay, so that first one.

Speaker 3: 1:07:59

I think he had Cozy Powell playing drums on the one and then Phil Collins on the other half of it. Just a rocking album. And I'm not a Strat fan at all, but that man, the Strat tone on that, those solo albums on the first two, it was Robbie.

Speaker 1: 1:08:17

Blunt, robbie, blunt, yes, great player.

Speaker 3: 1:08:19

Great tones.

Speaker 1: 1:08:20

And you know what? There's something really special about that song, Big Log, because the guitar in that song. That's a great song and I'm so impressed with you that you even know the stuff right. I thought me and like three other people, were the only one that, like, got into the robert plant solo stuff. That was great.

Speaker 3: 1:08:41

The third one that come out. Uh, dang it, what was it called? It had a little by little on it. That's a killer song too. But then you start listening to the rest of that album.

Speaker 1: 1:08:49

It's like way new wave and yeah, it got different super, super track. Oh yeah, time mid-80s or whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:08:56

Yeah, trying to keep up with the times of the tracks and the snap tracks and the electronic drums and keyboards and stuff. It was kind of a weird album but. I'll listen to it every now and then and try to enjoy it. But Now and Zen was cool.

Speaker 3: 1:09:11

My favorite out of the bunch, I think nirvana that one rocks as a killer album it's, it was, that was that was a change in time too, like the the 80s into the 90s, like you can hear that you know, like dx7 keyboard or whatever it was that they were doing 100 oh it's just yeah, I do have.

Speaker 1: 1:09:31

I don't think I have all of the albums that we just mentioned, but I know I've got Pictures at 11 on vinyl and I might even have the Principle of Moments on vinyl.

Speaker 3: 1:09:43

Both of those are killer. Both of those are killer.

Speaker 1: 1:09:45

Love them, totally love them. Yeah, a non-musical passion or hobby Sadie Williams has that most listeners may not know about you.

Speaker 3: 1:09:58

Well, I like to paint in my spare time. I just recently started kind of getting back into it. When I was in high school I did a lot of the art competitions like the rodeo art and stuff like that. That was mainly the bigger things that you could get into when you were in art, like you could do all the assignments and stuff like that. But if you wanted to like make some money and get into the contest, then you had to kind of change your subject matter a little bit and do the more rodeo themed stuff. So I got into doing oil paintings and stuff and that was that was pretty cool and I've won a couple awards and sold a couple paintings.

Speaker 3: 1:10:35

And then when I graduated high school I kept at it for a little bit because I didn't really have a solidified band thing going. So I just kind of sat around and did some paintings and I would work and, work and work and try to sell my paintings and I didn't have a market for it. So I gave up on it for a little while. And here recently I started getting back into doing my paintings again. You know I've been doing more acrylic paintings because it's I don't have to sit and let the oils dry and stuff like that, and I can come back to it whenever and just work at it and it's just. It's a little bit more better for my timing and my liking now.

Speaker 1: 1:11:11

Sure.

Speaker 3: 1:11:12

But I sold a couple paintings recently and I it's, and people are asking me man, you need to do more paintings, your stuff is great. And I'm like. I was trying to sell this stuff a long time ago and nobody was interested. But I figured out what it was. I didn't have a following, I didn't have people. Nobody knew who I was you know.

Speaker 3: 1:11:27

So I didn't have a market for it, but now that I'm playing gigs and a lot of people recognize who I am like I'll go to Walmart. And I know you. I saw you at Backwoods last weekend you know it's okay cool, you know right on.

Speaker 3: 1:11:41

So people have kind of taken a notice to who I am, not to toot my own horn or anything, but it's. It's kind of cool and you know people are interested in seeing what I do and sure, yeah, so I paint and stuff like that. I. I do draw here and there, but I'm kind of more into the painting kind of thing. So that's yeah, that's my side hobby doing that well, you know what my wife says.

Speaker 1: 1:12:06

She doesn't say it all the time, but it's come out of her mouth more times than not. But we'll go to dinner and we'll be eating with somebody and she'll say is there ever a time that we go somewhere that you don't know somebody that walks in and I said you know it's not. I try to remind her I'm not famous, I'm not remotely, not even a fraction of famous. But people like you and myself, we're in the public eye in Houston, right, we're in front of the public, we people see us. You can't deny that right now. Now, I'm not the greatest musician or you know whatever, but people say oh, you played a backyard grill, you played Creekwood grill, you played lone pint brewery, Like people see us, right. So we're going to know people, of course, and it's cool that you, you, you do the painting thing and I've always said, if there was an art that I would love to do, I always wanted to be able to do that, but I'm the guy that can't draw the straight line with the ruler guy.

Speaker 4: 1:13:07

Right.

Speaker 1: 1:13:08

But the cool thing is, you know my, even my grandmother. She took up oil painting when she was like 78 years old and was freaking. Amazing, it was a talent that had been undiscovered is what it was.

Speaker 1: 1:13:25

And so many times we have talents that we don't even know about. So it's cool that you say that about the painting and whatnot. We all have that other talent and some have exploited theirs and others just still don't know what it is Right. One piece of advice that you would give an aspiring musician, let's just say an aspiring guitarist what would you tell a new person starting out on the guitar? And I was going to say, you know what would you tell a young kid? But you know what, there's old people that like to start learning to play guitar too. So what would you tell an aspiring guitarist if they were brand new at picking up the instrument?

Speaker 3: 1:14:02

Well, I, for for some time I was an instructor at the school of rock in Kingwood. So I've, you know, taught young and old and I still teach some lessons here and there. Old and I still teach some lessons here and there. My word of advice that I give to all of my students that I teach is is this really what you want to do? You know, is it like, are you still trying to find what you like? Is this really? Do you really want to play guitar? You know, because you got to, you got to want it. So, and my example is when I started playing guitar.

Speaker 3: 1:14:39

My example is when I started playing guitar, I, the guitar that I got, was kind of a pile of crap, but I didn't know, I didn't know that it was a piece of junk. I loved it and I, you know, I just wanted to rock out and make those sounds that I was hearing on the records and stuff, and I didn't complain that my fingers hurt. I didn't know that I was supposed to tune the guitar. I just kind of figured it out and learned and just along the way, and, yeah, you have to kind of want it or not kind of, you have to want it. You have to want to practice, you have to want to, you have to love the instrument.

Speaker 1: 1:15:05

Sure.

Speaker 3: 1:15:05

So I, I get these new students here and there, mom wants to sign them up for lessons and little Johnny is kind of like I want to play video games and, you know, does not care anything about the guitar. Yes, and it kind of breaks my heart a little bit Cause I'm like I'm really into guitar and I really want this kid to learn, cause it's there's a whole nother world and a whole nother you know place that it can take you, um, other than the video games, um. So it's like it kind of frustrates me sometimes when these kids are just not really into it or they just don't know, they don't care, and man, you just you have to want it and my fingers hurt. Oh well, you know, come back to it and you know you'll, you'll adapt and overcome and get better and you just have to want it.

Speaker 1: 1:15:51

You know I agree with that and there I don't think there's any creativity in playing video games. I think it's. Maybe it's a cool pastime and I don't knock that, but there's no creativity in that and I've played a handful of video games here and there, but not I can live without them.

Speaker 3: 1:16:07

Sure you know I haven't played a game in so long. But back on that subject it's, I might have a new student here and there. Okay, well, you like guitar? Yeah, okay, well, what? What kind of music do you like? Tv static? You know, just like, just doesn't know you know, it's like okay, um well, what kind of video games do you like?

Speaker 3: 1:16:28

and they'll tell minecraft, uh, fortnite, okay. Well, what kind of. What kind of music do you like from that? Because I'm sure that there's some sounds or some kind of music that they like from it.

Speaker 3: 1:16:37

They can't tell me anything and I'm like I'm sitting there thinking man, parents show them something it's disheartening it is, my mom and my dad showed me Smoke on the Water and stuff like that and I'm like I thought it was the coolest thing. But I'll try to show a kid tnt by acdc and they just look at me like I'm on mars. Seven eyes on your head, yeah and I'm like, is this not cool?

Speaker 1: 1:17:01

no, oh my gosh I agree with you 1000 there's.

Speaker 3: 1:17:07

kids are kids these days, unfortunately, are so into the ipads and the video games and stuff. They, they don't know what music is. A lot of people don't know what music is, even like an 18-year-old kid that I might have taught last week. Just, you know what's your favorite song? I don't know. Do you have a favorite singer? I don't know. Yeah, they don't know what music is at all.

Speaker 4: 1:17:30

They're not steeped in it.

Speaker 3: 1:17:35

Man, it's, it's man, it's like man, did you? Okay? Have you heard? Have you heard twinkle, twinkle little star, and they kind of look at me, funny still, and I'm like, oh my goodness totally disheartening.

Speaker 1: 1:17:41

I get it it is and it's.

Speaker 3: 1:17:43

We've really got to keep the music alive.

Speaker 1: 1:17:44

And it goes back to what we were saying that music is not appreciated like it once was I agree with you and you hit the nail right on the head about what you would tell somebody that wanted to learn the guitar, and I think so many parents want to live vicariously through their kid like they might have wanted to play the guitar when they were young and they never did so.

Speaker 1: 1:18:06

They're going to force Johnny to play the guitar. They're going to buy him that guitar, send him to lessons. He doesn't want to be there, he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to learn it. So I agree, you have to first have a passion for music, for the art, right? You have to have that burn inside of you that I love music and my world revolves around music. And then pick the instrument up. The instrument is easy to fall in love with. If you don't have the love for the music, you'll never have a love for the instrument, right?

Speaker 3: 1:18:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:18:37

You can't have one without the other at the end of the day, right, kind of a side story. You know, for Christmas or my birthday, years and years ago, I'd ask for a guitar and I'd get a guitar, but it would be an acoustic guitar. Now, this was before I even knew what it was. Of course, knew what it was, of course I get like a junky acoustic guitar. No, I want a guitar. Well, you got a guitar. No, I want a guitar. Next year, come around I get another guitar and it's an acoustic. I'm like, no, I want a guitar. And like I didn't know what it was, I just, you know it, it makes this sound. Finally, I figured out what it was. It was an, an electric guitar. This is when I was little, so I didn't know. All right, well, sadie wants to play guitar, I guess, so I just get her a guitar. They got me a guitar and an amp and stuff. All right, well, we're not paying for lessons, so you're going to have to figure it out by yourself. Okay, go upstairs in my room.

Speaker 4: 1:19:35

Next thing, you know, they start hearing Heart. Know, heartbreakers, sure, right, yeah, man, is that the radio?

Speaker 3: 1:19:38

no, that's me. But yeah, you have, you have to want it. You have to really want it. It can't be just like I kind of I kind of want to play this.

Speaker 1: 1:19:44

I kind of want to do that, you know well, you know, what weeds out anybody from the guitar is when they get that guitar, they really don't desire to play it and they get that first blister on their finger. They're done, they're done right, oh I know. So you have to have the love to get over that aspect to build the calluses. Like Steve Miller said years ago in the song Jet Airliner, you have to go through hell before you get to heaven.

Speaker 1: 1:20:10

And that's very true with getting your fingers to do what you want them to, because you know as well as I do also that when you first start to play the guitar, your fingers are doing something totally that you don't want them to do right, but after that it's this muscle memory thing. You just know where the fingers go on the fretboard and that type of thing.

Speaker 3: 1:20:30

Even when I was learning how to play guitar, I never really complained that my fingers hurt. I just because I wanted to play it that bad and I wanted to learn all of these songs and stuff. And so when people, you know, ask me well, did your fingers hurt when you start playing? I'm like I don't, I don't remember, I don't know, because I I was too focused on trying to learn and play the songs rather than like just, you know, sit there and focus on the pain, you know there's a, there is an old adage, and the old adage is love is blind, right, whether it's an instrument or a relationship.

Speaker 1: 1:21:07

If you're in a relationship, well, for the guitar, the blisters is the pain, and if you're in love with it, the love is blind. You don't think about your fingers hurting because you love it so much. If you're in a bad relationship, a toxic relationship, you're in love with that person. That person isn't in love with you. You still love hard and even though it's damaging, it's a bad thing.

Speaker 3: 1:21:33

Love is blind.

Speaker 1: 1:21:33

You don't see that. Everybody around you sees that my god, you got to get out of that relationship. But whether it's a relationship or an instrument, you know it's. It's kind of the same principle. Yeah, if you will. You know you don't. You don't sit and say, oh my god, my fingers hurt because you love the instrument so much. You just see past the pain at the end of the day Exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:21:53

Is there anything that you would like to share with the listeners about either project that maybe we didn't touch on? The skins kaleidoscope project, I know you've got. You mentioned something earlier about maybe some new music. I don't want you to divulge anything that you don't want to divulge, but any anything new and exciting that maybe the lovers of Sadie Williams and your projects can look forward to. And I noticed you know you did mention that about the kaleidoscope project, but I didn't know if there was anything else you wanted to share with well we're.

Speaker 3: 1:22:24

We're still working on some new singles. We're trying to release a new single like every couple months or so and just keep it fresh and interesting and stuff like that, and the goal would be ultimately to have enough songs for maybe a little EP or a CD, even though that's kind of out the window, sure, but it'd be something cool to have at the merch table here and there. So that's kind of the next goal and really just wherever it takes us, because we're, you know, year by year we're getting some cool new shows and new places and new opportunities and stuff like that. And well, just this past year we went and played Sturgis just out of the blue. That was killer, that was awesome. You know, never would have thought that we would have gotten that far and played Sturgis. You know that was fun, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:23:07

So who knows what next year is going to hold? We've got some shows in the works for a couple of different band era rally gigs. We've got some shows in the works for a couple different Bandera rally gigs. That's kind of the usual thing at this point. But as far as super, super new and exciting, I don't really know. But just wherever it takes us, we're totally cool with it because we're having a blast.

Speaker 1: 1:23:25

And sometimes not knowing is a more fun journey than knowing where you're going. And the beauty of that too is you guys, you work full-time jobs and I always say I'm so glad that I do have a full-time job to fall back on, because the music industry as the person we know that said what you you were talking about earlier. There's so much truth to that and he just happens to be pretty vocal about that kind of thing. But, like I say it all the time, there's no way I would want to be a musician for a living, right? I?

Speaker 3: 1:23:58

wouldn't, I wouldn't want, I wouldn't want to do it to that extent where it breaks my heart that much, because man it it breaks it breaks.

Speaker 3: 1:24:07

You don't love it it breaks my heart to hear those posts and stuff, but we can kind of relate to it in a way, but at the same time we have something to fall back on and take, you know, just to take our breath away for a second, and then then we can come back and play the gig on Saturday or Friday night or whatever, and then we have the week to kind of chill out and practice and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 1:24:25

But if I relied on it for a full-time job, which some people do and some people are, you know, know, very thankful and they get by and they do well and they don't have any complaints yeah but sometimes it's a little bit harder for some and and I I've said this, if you make your hobby your job, then you hate it yeah and, as far as I'm concerned, I've never worked a day in my life yeah you know, and I work in a music store and stuff too, so I'm playing guitars and doing that thing and giving lessons and I play gigs and stuff on the weekend and as far as I'm concerned, I've never worked a day in my life.

Speaker 3: 1:25:01

And there's been some rough little patches and stuff here and there, maybe at a gig or so, or maybe we didn't get this right at practice one time. But you know, it's like you have outlets and stuff to kind of get away from it all I agree.

Speaker 1: 1:25:14

I agree. Where can the listeners find your music and how do they go about keeping up with the band's journey? So, where where can we find you on social media and where can we find you to stream?

Speaker 3: 1:25:30

uh, so you can find me on facebook, instagram, all of that stuff. Sadie Williams 1997 is my tag, I think, for Instagram and stuff. I'm kind of rarely on it now, but as far as streaming our music Kaleidoscope, you can find us on YouTube, apple Music, amazon Music, spotify anywhere that you listen to music. You know online that you listen to music you know online all the majors.

Speaker 3: 1:25:53

Yeah, yeah, all of that stuff. Um, just type in the kaleidoscope project or moon gypsy or mean mistreater and you will most likely find it. We do have a little website. It's called, uh, it's link tree, uh slash tkp band, and it's got all of our little social media things on there facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube. All of the stuff all in just one little.

Speaker 1: 1:26:15

You know, very cool yeah yeah, it's cool what about from a merch perspective, like if, if somebody said I want to support the band by buying merch, how and where would you point them to?

Speaker 3: 1:26:27

yeah, so on, on our link tree thing too, we do have a brand new merch um uh merch little website that we set up. And now the cool thing with this merch website is most of the stuff that is on this site is not available at our shows. It's kind of exclusive. You know, more cool designs, more things hoodies, t-shirts and other stuff that you're not going to get at the gigs, because at our gigs you're just going to get like a kaleidoscope tie-dye shirt with the logo on it because we can only carry them out around. So much stuff. So you can go to merchcom slash TKP band, I believe, is what it's called and we've got a lot of cool stuff on there and you just select what you want and we've got a couple different colors and they'll send it to your house and that's pretty handy there too. Or you could just hit me up on messenger, I might send you a sticker or something I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:27:21

That's awesome. Well, sadie, listen, it's been a pleasure getting to know you and chatting with you. I've, of course, you know, seen you on social media for a long time now and I said I've got to get her out here, I've got to hear the story, right. So I'm glad that we were finally able to connect.

Speaker 3: 1:27:36

I know like amongst my crazy schedule I'm glad I could squeeze some time to come by.

Speaker 1: 1:27:41

Yeah, well, I'm glad you did and I appreciate you driving out from Conroe. You're a you're a super cool rocker chick and I can totally see why you know you have the following that you do. I do wish you a continued success on your musical endeavors with both bands and you know everything that's not going on with you non-musically as well, right, your jobs and whatnot. But Merry Christmas to you and your family, thank you, and, uh, look forward to catching up with you on the road soon and maybe checking out one of those shows. All right, yeah, for sure, you guys make sure to head out to the social media sites and follow Sadie and all the guys in both of the projects. I ask the listeners to like, share and subscribe to the podcast on Facebook at Backstage Pass Radio Podcast, on Instagram at Backstage Pass Radio and on the website at BackstagePassRadiocom. You guys remember to take care of yourselves and each other and we will see you right back here on the next episode of Backstage Pass Radio.

Speaker 2: 1:28:41

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