S5: E10: Scot "Little" Bihlman - An Anthology of Musical Triumphs

Speaker 1: 0:46

My guest this afternoon is a versatile singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist who was born in Chicago and raised in northern Michigan. It's Randy Halsey, with Backstage Pass Radio, and I am excited to get to chat with an artist that is a four-time Emmy Award winner and has worked with such acts as Ted Nugent, doug Pinnock, jelly Rollin', pink Sit Tite, and we will chat with Scott Little-Billman when we come back.

Speaker 2: 1:12

This is Backstage Pass Radio, the podcast that's designed for the music junkie with a thirst for musical knowledge. Hi, this is Adam Gordon, and I want to thank you all for joining us today. Make sure you like, subscribe and turn alerts on for this and all upcoming podcasts. And now here's your host of Backstage Pass Radio, randy Halsey.

Speaker 1: 1:41

Scott, what's up, my man, how are you?

Speaker 3: 1:44

I'm great man. How are you?

Speaker 1: 1:45

I'm doing good. It's great to finally catch up to you. I know we've been doing some texting back and forth over the last month or so, but good to catch up with you, good to see you, man.

Speaker 3: 1:57

Great to see you as well, sir.

Speaker 1: 1:59

So I'm chatting right before we hit the record button. You're out in sunny Las Vegas right now. What's taking you out to Las Vegas?

Speaker 3: 2:08

I do a lot of work out here. I'm doing a session tonight with Mike Varney and a couple of his people and things like that but I have a beautiful daughter here I love so much, so she's here as well. So when I come to town I work and I try to see her, and I saw that.

Speaker 1: 2:24

Well, I know that we had pushed the original time. You had told me yeah, I'm getting with Mike Varney. I'm like man, what's up with that? I'm getting trumped for Mike Varney, what the hell's going on? But I understand he's a more important guy. I get it.

Speaker 3: 2:39

Oh man. Well, you know, I got to work, that's one thing I got to work.

Speaker 1: 2:43

Isn't that kind of an important thing? Isn't it to be able to make a little money, right yeah?

Speaker 3: 2:48

That's what's that. And Mike has got. He's just been a great. He's one of my really, really, really good friends and he's such a sweetheart of a guy and his lineage with his record label and everything he's done, is like don't even need to really take anybody down a rabbit hole, you can just go with that. But just a great guy.

Speaker 1: 3:06

Well, at a high level, because there's going to be listeners on this show that don't have a clue who Mike Varney is. So, just at the 50,000 foot level, share with the listeners who we're talking about right now.

Speaker 3: 3:20

Mike had a very influential record label, scrapnel Records. That I think goes all the way back to, I'm sure, the 80s. I don't know about the 70s, but the thing with Scrapnel is because I'm a technician, you know I get a lot of calls for my drumming situation and that's kind of my wheelhouse, other than being a singer, songwriter etc. If you said that you were signed on Scrapnel Records or whatever, that's pretty much you don't even have to listen to the music, it's pretty much you can play. You know, yes, and throughout my career Scrapnel Records has always been a really shredding. You know they have Tony McAlpine.

Speaker 3: 3:58

Paul Gilbert, all those guys right People that are just incredible technicians, of course, and that's who he is, and he had a very successful metal label. It's funny because I do, somehow I've got associated with so much metal and I've done metal sessions, you know, and I play with Doug and, like you know, that kind of comes from that, but I'm actually signed on a metal label, if you can believe it, but I'm an Americana guy.

Speaker 1: 4:20

Yeah, what's gonna say? How does that work?

Speaker 3: 4:24

Well, you know, Grinder Blues was on Megaforce Records, yes, but then we bounced a record over to Metalville out of Germany and then we already had that relationship going. So when I cut the legend of hipster billings, they immediately signed it, which I was very happy about. But what happened with that is is they were gonna use my record as a launching pad to Americana like situation, and I don't know. I think that if you have a lot of metal relationships and things like that, it's possible you can't do that or something. Sure, but yeah, that's how metal got into my life.

Speaker 1: 5:03

I got you. Well, you spoke of that label and a record that you did in 2022 called the Legend of Hipster Billings. Yeah, how many records do you have out under the Little Billman solo efforts that would?

Speaker 3: 5:18

be my first.

Speaker 1: 5:19

The first one.

Speaker 3: 5:20

I did a on Scott Little Billman that was put out. The distribution on that was the Orchard. I love that record Smoking Dragonflies. That was out in like 2015,. But then I've done all these other projects. You know I've been working with John Fogarty and things like that, the Jelly Roll thing, and then over to COVID. I recorded this record with Miles Fullwider, the producer who did the Griner Blues stuff as well, and so we knocked it out. It got signed and there we go and I'm very, very happy with the record. The record, I think, is great. The record is great. The songs are really well. I had a song on Big Sky If anybody watches that show and I've had a lot of film and TV placements in that regard.

Speaker 1: 6:02

Yeah, and I want to talk more with you about that. But there's a song off of the Legend of Hipster Billings called Tooth and Nail and I'd like to treat the listeners to a quick clip of that and then we'll come back and chat, Is that cool?

Speaker 3: 6:16

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1: 7:08

That was a song called Tooth and Nail off the Legend of Hipster Billings. Now it's my understanding that you worked with Doug Penwick on this particular song, right on that record.

Speaker 3: 7:19

Yeah, what happened was I wrote the tune and Doug and I we have a place in Lake Balboa, california, so it's a nice house there, something like that. And what's cool about that is is that I play on his solo stuff and he'll help me out on my solo stuff and things like that. So, taking the lineage that we have together and things like that, I just said, hey, man, you know, you do mine doing this and you like the song and you put the bass down on it and it's always, you know, I grew up on King's X and everything like that. So, and I've toured Europe with Doug a bunch of times and you know we've done three records two or three records together, interesting that have been signed and put out, of course, but it's still just always so cool, man, to have Doug, you know, on anything, not anything, and I'm very grateful that he did that. Yeah, so, yeah, doug is on that. That's him laying it down.

Speaker 1: 8:12

A great musician and I had a buddy on my show I think it was maybe season three a guy by the name of Randy St John who played drums on a couple of Tai Tabers solo projects. A local musician here in the Houston area and spent a lot of time out in LA on the Sunset Strip under a band called Sweet Savage back in the in the hair metal days. So that's his tie to King's X. But you talked about shrapnel earlier and I've had several artists on my show from shrapnel. Chastain was one I had a Count 77 out of, actually out of Vegas, right there where you are right now Really good friends with all those guys.

Speaker 2: 8:57

Tony Curtis was on my show just recently I was.

Speaker 1: 9:00

I was out in Vegas and he came to the hotel room. Great guy had some great stories there and, of course, la guns is one that's on the shrapnel label that I've been able to chat with Adam Hamilton from LA guns. So, before we jump into this, what all is current for you as it relates to music? I know you have a lot of things going on. I know Grindr Blues is current, but what about, specifically, the Billman Brothers? Is there anything going on with the Billman Brothers right now?

Speaker 3: 9:33

No, there's not. My brother and I have taken a hiatus. I'm not sure how long that hiatus is going to go, but no, I've been lucky enough to. I'm recording with John Fogarty, okay, a lot of stuff and that's been really, really cool. My record I'm not going to get it down a rabbit hole on how it was released. They kind of released everything at the same time instead of doing singles and et cetera, et cetera. There's a little bit back history of we're working out now, yeah, and the label has first rights or refusal on the second record. So we're kind of looking at all that. But currently I have my new record is ready to go and I'm very happy about that. But yeah, I mean doing sessions and concentrating on my thing and I come to Vegas and I work with a lot of people. I do sessions for Mike and everything. I left the jelly roll thing to go work with Fogarty and then jelly roll blows up.

Speaker 1: 10:30

That was kind of fun Hindsight's always 2020, right yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:36

But that was, it was good times doing that whole thing. I mean I recorded with them and toured with them and then I I'm in the video when I get rich. That's me on drums with jelly.

Speaker 1: 10:48

It's an historical man. I mean just like, from from nothing to everything. It's a pretty awesome story, you know.

Speaker 3: 10:54

Yeah, I mean I don't want to make the fish bigger than it is. I was doing a gig with Kenny Olsen at Soul Shines in Nashville and ran into jelly there and he we talked about you know, could I help him out? And I thought, well, you know I can help you out. He really didn't have too much going. But I will say this when we did the video for when I get rich, it got, like, you know, two million hits right away.

Speaker 3: 11:22

But we were already touring all over the Midwest and all that kind of stuff and I was doing the gangster rap thing.

Speaker 3: 11:28

I mean it was all gangster rap, it was not, it was it's the Americans and that whole deal, but it was all gangster rap. And I didn't even know that he was going to transfer over to country until I came out to LA to work with John and then I say no, about a year or so later, two years or something, a guy that used to tech for us said I'm going to be at the Kimmel show tonight, jelly Roll is going to be there. And I think because he knew I played with Jelly Roll and I thought, oh, that's cool, is he's going to be there just as a spectator or what, and he's like no man, the guy's playing, I'm like what? And from there I kind of you know we don't have each other on speed dial or anything, but it's we left on good terms and all that and I'm really happy for his success and I think it is incredible.

Speaker 3: 13:01

It's probably out of my whole career. I've never seen anybody rise that quick in my life. So kudos to him and what he's doing and bless him. Nothing but love for Jelly.

Speaker 1: 13:12

For sure. Well, going back to John Fogarty, for the listeners that are tuning in John Fogarty from the famed Creedence Clearwater Revival group, what specifically do you have going on with John these days? What are you all working on?

Speaker 3: 13:27

You know, I think we're doing a bunch of vault stuff. His kids are now very involved in his situation and plan and they're like best friends that they grew up with. John was saying one time, you know, he knew this kid when he was like two and now he's a competent musician, you know, on drums and things like that. So the camp, you know, I go up to his house in 1000 Oaks and we he has a song written and we record it and we will record one or two or three or whatever and knock that out. I mean it's a, it's a huge feather in my cap stripe on my jacket, it's phenomenal. But like I say, I'm a, I'm a session player with John.

Speaker 2: 14:08

So it's not like.

Speaker 3: 14:10

I haven't done any live shows with him or anything you know, which is kind of a bummer. But Kenny Arnoff, you know that's his main gig, kenny, it was instrumental on helping me get with that. It's cool when you sit down because he comes out in the studio and we're just going to see what, like where this is going and what's going on. But the warm up man we go right into, like you know, all the credence, cool stuff, yeah, just playing it with with John. So it's, it's been a very cool experience and just another cool thing.

Speaker 1: 14:44

You know it's pretty interesting to me and I mean this part of my show I didn't outline. You know you kind of mentioned it where jelly roll and Fogarty and this person and that person I guess once you it's almost like my podcast. When I got that first big name on my show it got a lot easier to get other bigger name artists. Do you feel kind of the same way about you know, when you, when you played with that first big person, does that kind of springboard, did it springboard you from a musician, from a musician perspective, we're like, oh, people now know who you are and they want you to come in and do these things. Does that help you? Does that hurt you?

Speaker 3: 15:27

Talk to the listeners about that a little bit. You know, what's sad but true about this business is is that there is this thing, like when you're a professional musician, you just do everything. You know you, just you do everything and that's what you do. And you know, I'm also an author and now for publishing, I do got that going on and things like this. And people are like, hey, they dig it and this is cool and you're playing this gig, you're doing that, so like that. But when you, when you get a few arenas under your belt and you're playing with the big boys and you're on a national tours and stuff like that, it's sad how people just validate you. Yeah sure.

Speaker 3: 16:01

It's like I have so many friends.

Speaker 1: 16:03

It's good and bad at the same time right. Good and bad at the same time right.

Speaker 3: 16:07

Well, yeah, I've got friends that are incredible musicians, incredible and they've just they've just stayed in the honky-tonks, you know, and they do like holiday and gigs and stuff, and the thing is that it's really about the breaks. But for anybody to discount them, that they are not professional musicians I am better than them or why? Because I, you know the Emmy thing and that kind of stuff and all the record deals. I'm just saying I'm not a better musician, I just got some breaks. Of course, and that's what really, you know, really kind of is sad about this business. It's like, you know, I know drummers and guitar players and singers that blow my doors off. They have, they have my resume. They don't have my resume, but it definitely. They don't get the kudos that I do and it's bullshit.

Speaker 1: 16:51

It's interesting that you say that, because I'm a local musician here in Houston and I've said that forever that I know guys and gals right here in my backyard that can outplay some of the greatest players out there, but because nobody knows who they are or they've never had that break, they'll go undiscovered and they'll play the dives and the honky-tonks and the holiday ends, just like you said. But they can, just they can eat some of these players for lunch.

Speaker 3: 17:19

Man, I'm telling you, and you know this right, being a musician, oh, I gotta tell you there was a just a fun little story. We were in Europe and the opening band drummer was incredible. I was freaked out after the show, his show, and I'm getting ready to go on and match that Said man, you know, incredible. So like daddy's like, and it was, I think it was in France and the guy was a perfect cleaner, wow, wow, and I'd say what I've had, I actually I got a resurrect that contact and just see what I'm talking about. I think his first name was Desi or something like that, but he I actually referred him. You know, I'm like I can't do this game, but I know a guy and if you guys are, going overseas, you know this has got to do it, and yeah it's.

Speaker 3: 18:08

I don't know, this business is just crazy like that. And yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1: 18:12

No, I was going to say. It shows that a lot of times adages are so true Like you can't judge a book by its cover. Like he's a carpet cleaner right, but could come out and just beat the hell out of a set of drums right, or whatever there's guitars like that too, right?

Speaker 3: 18:27

Yeah, his technique was incredible and, you know, judging a book by its cover, you know, that's kind of a thing with Jelly Roll, you know. I mean, who would have thought that a guy that looked like that, so like that, could and I am so happy that he broke these barriers, man, I really am but there were times that it was like that was like, you know, I think that he even thought it was holding him back, you know. But I'm glad that people recognize that he's got a thing in it and it's working now.

Speaker 3: 18:55

So, but yeah, there's so many like, all you got to do, dude, is go to Nashville and sit down and the guy that is your waiter can cut your head off. So it doesn't you know. It's all about, yeah, getting the brakes, and I think that a lot of these musicians, if I have any words of wisdom, is that the difference between, I think, me getting the brakes and other people getting the brakes is your hustle.

Speaker 1: 19:23

Yeah, of course yeah.

Speaker 3: 19:25

And if you don't hustle, because you know luck is when opportunity meets, preparation and but you have to put yourself in a position that is, you got to go out. Man, the older you get and everything like that, it becomes harder. Of course you know, and you got to go out and drink beer with these dudes. You got to go to the hang, so you got to go to the jams. You got to tell people you're available. You got to do all that stuff and then you will. You'll get a call.

Speaker 1: 19:48

I agree, Well it's. It's interesting if you can play.

Speaker 1: 19:50

Yeah Well, when you said you can't judge a book by its cover, I'll add one more piece to that. I was out in Nashville doing an interview not too long ago and I met up with a local musician. He lives in Nashville now but he's from Houston and we're sitting in the Nashville Palace and there's two guys on stage and they're just song. Swapping is basically what they're doing. Some of the songs are kind of playing together and a lot of what they were doing is what were originals, but they were playing some covers to. I'm like man, these originals that this one guy at least is doing is they're phenomenal. So I got it.

Speaker 1: 20:28

I started talking to him kind of after their gig and they hung out at the table and we exchanged information and didn't really. They gave me their name. So I got back to Houston and I pulled them up and one of the guys who will be on my show in November played with Craig Morgan for a while and then the other one played with Luke Combs. So you never know, it looked like two normal guys sitting up on the stage thinking, oh, these might be dishwashers somewhere too. But they've toured with some of the biggest names. So you never know.

Speaker 3: 20:59

You never know what you're going to get right, whether it's the carpet cleaner or whatever, right, yeah, and the thing is you never know what you're going to get, and I got to tell you it's flying. I mean, I played the White House, I got to play the White House for the president and got flown in on you know the like Air Force one jet, the whole thing, and what I'm saying is that it lasts for like two weeks, and after that what's next?

Speaker 3: 21:23

Yeah, what's the next one If you tell somebody that you know, if you tell somebody like I do everything I possibly can to see my daughter when I come to Vegas, and if I get a gig where there's like I mean somebody's coming up to me, can you go do a solo gig for me, and stuff like that, and people will come out and they'll be shocked, Like what are you? I can't believe you're. And it's like, well, I'm a professional musician, this is what we do, and they will discount you. That's what's funny.

Speaker 3: 21:48

It's like they totally forget like all the cool stuff you've done. They're just judging you on the latest gig, Exactly.

Speaker 1: 21:53

That's exactly it.

Speaker 3: 21:54

And that's when you just got to have some rhino skin man. Yeah, you just like bug it.

Speaker 2: 22:00

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 22:02

You know, and you know if you are doing a gig like that or I was just actually talking to a keyboard player here just yesterday and he's got a great resume and he's doing his thing and you know gigs like that keep your chops up and you get paid. Of course, you get paid to keep your chops up and there's something good that comes out of it. Now, do you want to do more with your career and everything like that? Well, that's your hustle. Yeah, you want to. You know, get on that road and do it. And it's a grind man, you got to grind.

Speaker 1: 22:29

For sure. Well before we kind of get off that subject, I wanted to let the listeners know, to check out, I'm sure Spotify. You can correct me where I'm wrong, scott, but Spotify for the solo stuff. Little Billman, I know you had a single you released last year too called Lay your Burden Down, right, so yeah, I love that song.

Speaker 3: 22:48

That would see again. That's all about the record label and like what's going on with that. So I can only tell the listener that we are having Spotify problems on the technical side of things. That needs to be rectified. Yeah, but I would appreciate people like going over there and check it out. It's my Instagram is Scott Billman. Yeah, they want to come on over there. I do a lot of stuff there. Facebook is Scott Billman. I got a little Billman Facebook page, you know band page, which is totally cool. But the Spotify thing, that would be great if people went over there and checked it out. Yeah, I'm really proud of the record.

Speaker 1: 23:20

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 23:20

I really love that record and I have my second one that is 95% done as we speak.

Speaker 1: 23:26

Okay, and we'll talk more about that and we'll also make sure to point the listeners out to all your socials. Going back real quick to Grindr Blues, I know that you play with your brother in that group and Doug Panic from King's X, correct?

Speaker 3: 23:40

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 23:42

Well, two brothers who are musicians. What was it like growing up in the Billman house as young boys, right, was it always a music thing for you guys, or was it sports, like what was going on in the Billman house back in the day, back in the gap?

Speaker 3: 24:00

Back in the gap, my dad was a charter boat captain, military guy that had a construction company. So the mentality is that that is he was a very hardcore outlaw country guy. You know that's all we listened to was Merle Haggar, willie Nelson, charlie Pryde. He loved Charlie Pryde, Bo Seafus and all those guys and I think that had a lot of like. That was a big thing for me and my song running as I write today and something like that comes from that. But we were I was all state outside linebacker, okay, and so football and sports were a huge thing with us and playing. Actually I was all conference I'm sorry I shouldn't say it was all conference outside my parents, but I had a full ride to Michigan State and things like this. My point is music didn't hit us until we were like 14 or 16.

Speaker 3: 24:57

That's late, and then it just yeah, and it just we just became obsessed. Man I was obsessed with and actually I started out on guitar, he started out on drums, and then one day we both were like wow, we switched and then it just went from there. But we excelled pretty damn quick. We started, I mean, we got with these instruments really quick and I was learning how to play drums. Job, mtv, there was no, you know, youtube, Of course, no, it was all MTV and what those guys were doing, everything like that and then.

Speaker 3: 25:28

But it was, it was a good household. You know, my brother and I just seemed to get that musical thing. My other two siblings they don't play instruments or whatever and it was a strict household. My dad was a very cool dude, he liked, he had a very good sense of humor, but he was also really strict. My mom was a sweetheart, greatest mother ever. She's still with us, thank God.

Speaker 3: 25:56

And but as it started building and we started getting recognition, we went to Musicians Institute, my brother and I, and then after that we went into the real world and started doing all this stuff, did the whole sunset strip thing, couldn't get signed, moved back to Chicago and my brother actually got recognized by all the blues guys and that's how I fell into the blues thing, because that and the Scott little Billman thing comes from when I was a really small baby and everybody called me little. Well, in my family they all call me little. So when I got with the blues guys my brother would even say, well, I got little on drums, along drums, but the other guys would call me Scott. Okay, so there was this major problem between Scott little Billman, little Billman, scott Billman, all this kind of stuff. And I'm on a lot of alligator record recordings where they have Scott little. Oh really.

Speaker 3: 26:47

Like like it's always, you know, on my credits and stuff. So that's how I went with. I had to go with like a three part name right now Scott, little Billman, so people don't mess up that thing. But when I got signed with metalville I just transferred over to little Billman. But that's kind of the rabbit hole of how everything's worked out.

Speaker 1: 27:05

Well, so I guess, in what I failed to ask you in the beginning of the interview is like how do people like if you're casually talking to you, what do you like to be referred to as Scott? Are you little like? What like? How do you like to be?

Speaker 3: 27:19

I guess I don't have a preference, as long as they don't say asshole.

Speaker 1: 27:24

As long as they don't call you late for dinner, it doesn't matter. Right, there you go. No, I just say my name's.

Speaker 3: 27:28

Scott little Billman, you call me, you know whatever little Scott Billman, whatever. So no, I don't have preference, but you don't have to call me Ray, you remember that. Well you know, you don't have to call me Johnson. That's funny.

Speaker 1: 27:44

Well, you know, you know who your story sounds like and I'm sure you've heard this over the years A million times yes, it's always like a Charlie Manson kind of thing.

Speaker 3: 27:53

And that's usually what they say no, no, no, no About the. You know how you and your brothers kind of flipped roles on the instruments, right?

Speaker 1: 27:59

You know what other famous musicians did that as well, the Van Halen Brothers, right? Oh yeah, and Alex kind of flipped instruments, and I guess one got bored with one instrument and they said, no, you do this one and I'll do that one. And that's how they got the thing. Yeah, to your point. My question is you know you've been to?

Speaker 3: 28:16

a lot of different places, right? So the thing you know to your point, my thing is is that I'm a singer, songwriter, and I'm a mediocre guitar player. Like nobody's going to call me for a session on guitar, okay. But I can gig and I can handle sure gigs and I do everything, but I'm not a technician like Steve Lukather or any of those kind of guys. But I will say that that's why we switched, because my brother was a terrible drummer. I was like a terrible guitar player and then we switched and then, and that's, he just took to it on massive levels and found your strong point.

Speaker 3: 28:45

Yeah, yeah. When I went to musician's institutes funny I was we're all standing, p100 and the guy goes you're going into a locker partner. You know you got to have a locker partner. And next you know I got a tap on the shoulder and I turn around and this guy goes hey man, you want to be locker partners on my cash or whatever. He goes to my name's Scott. He goes yeah, my name's rage Ray Luzier, ray Luzier, and he's the drummer for corn. But he's had a.

Speaker 3: 29:08

he's one of the greatest drummers out there and I will say I learned more from Ray as my locker partner and still a very good friend, than I did from the instructor. That's a cool story and he went on to do a lot of stuff on shrapnel. Yes, yeah, he went on to. Actually he was 18 years old and, like Mike was using him on everything, wow, he just had it. Man, he had that whole. Do you remember the band Racer X?

Speaker 1: 29:31

Yeah, of course Paul Gilbert was in that band right Racer.

Speaker 3: 29:34

X yeah, paul Gilbert, bruce Boulet yeah, sure, yeah, and Bruce Boulet and Scott Travis on drums. And I mean I didn't. I came from Chicago, man, where it was like I just knew all the Charlie Watts stuff, you know and that kind of thing, but Ray man, he knew all Scott Travis stuff. So that was yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:52

Well, you spoke about Musicians Institute there in Los Angeles, and I'm sure that had to have been a great experience going to a school that's dedicated to your passion, right? Like I think a lot of kids go to college, right, and they don't know A what the hell they want to do, so they go in and they do all this. What do you call it Pre-Rex? You know the Englishes and all of this. You go to a school that's dedicated to what you want to spend your life doing. Talk to the listeners, just very high level, about the Musicians Institute, and I have to think that this is a lot like GIT, correct?

Speaker 3: 30:27

Yeah, See, I graduated from PIT Percussion Institute of Technology. There's Guitar Institute and all that kind of stuff and the cool thing about it is, you know, as I go back and talk about being a professional musician, the instructors when I went through were the greatest. I mean, you had, you know, like Ralph Humphrey from Zappa and all those guys you know, teaching you fusion. You had Steve Houghton teaching you big band. You had Louise Conte, you know, on percussion doing all that kind of stuff, and the people they had come through that we had clinics with was, like you know, Billy Ward from Black Sabbath, yeah, I mean Benny Caliuta, Steve or, yeah, Steve Smith came through. You had also, um, oh my God.

Speaker 1: 31:12

I can't remember. That was Steve Smith from Journey fame right.

Speaker 3: 31:16

Yeah, yeah, steve Smith and also Steve Gad man, okay. So we were very lucky. And the thing is is that it's a year program and you fly by to see your pants and when I went in I didn't even really know how to read a quarter note and everybody, like Ray I mean, and these people they were doing, you know, band and school and all this kind of stuff like that. But you had to, you know you had to graduate and you had to do your testing and it was the most intense year of my life Really, and I definitely wasn't going to like fail at it. You know I just there's no way, but I doubt it was so hard to get through that. But when you're there, yeah, you definitely strike. You definitely strike the, the bloodstream of your passion going into the music business. I mean it is. You are, I mean, for the passion of being a rock star. I mean you can be a rock star coming out of MI at any time.

Speaker 3: 32:09

Barry Squire he was a great agent for me. He's still around. He's hooked so many people. I think that he was actually. He did a Lannis Moore sets band, okay, and then he got all those guys going and then from there. I mean, like you can go from a carbon cleaner to playing arenas in a massive band through that guy and musicians. This too was really good with that. I think they're a little snooty now. I'm actually a success story out of musicians, that's the other thing, but I find that they're they've. They were all really down to earth cool people when I went there, and I'll even stop in now and then maybe see an old instructor or something, and they've reached that kind of like pretentious yeah, now, because they produce so many names, yeah, or something.

Speaker 3: 32:58

You know, man, it's like that's not what the school was bought. I mean, you know, man, everybody was patting each other on the back, helping people along, our instructors were cool and everything like that, and now I think it's a little prestigious, pompous.

Speaker 1: 33:09

Yeah, sorry, musicians, it's a well, it was kind of probably like that was where the working class musicians went to learn. Right now, and now it's, yeah, the Juilliards of the world where you got to have a little money or whatever to get even to think about being accepted. What?

Speaker 3: 33:25

my, my parents paid. I think my parents only paid three grand for me to go through and now I think it's like 33 grand Probably. Yeah, you know, but you know I don't want to. I'm not talking bad about it. My experience of musician's institute was phenomenal, so there you go everybody A cool place.

Speaker 1: 33:40

If you want to go to MI, go. Yeah, sounds like a cool place. Well, going back real quick, I as far as grinder blues goes, how did you and Doug Panic connect initially? Do you remember the connection?

Speaker 3: 33:51

Yeah, I actually do. My really good friend that we were just talking about, I'm Ray Luzier. He was doing a barbecue in LA and I was actually in Vegas and he called me up and said I'm doing a barbecue tomorrow, Do you want to come around? And I said yeah. So I went over to the barbecue and there was a lot of cool people there. But then, as I was there, you know, I saw Doug and I'm like fucking Doug Panic man right on. So I went over and we started talking and then Doug wanted to do a like hard rock and blues thing and that was right up my lineage, alley man, I mean, it's like this. And I even got the guitar player too, Of course. And I tell you what, before that barbecue ended, we started that band.

Speaker 1: 34:32

No kidding.

Speaker 3: 34:33

And I tell you what. Three weeks later, Doug came over to Vegas. We wrote the album in three days, we recorded it at the Palms and we were signed a month later on Megaforce Records.

Speaker 1: 34:44

Unbelievable. Yeah, that was very easy.

Speaker 3: 34:46

Very, very free, pretty easy.

Speaker 1: 34:49

What a cool story, Well.

Speaker 3: 34:50

I you know the video Burn the Bridge. It's really cool. You should tell people to check that out, man. Yeah, really great video Of course, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:58

Well, I worked in a Houston record store way back in the day I think it was like 89, a place called Sound Warehouse and and Doug would remember it was off Derry Ashford, but Doug used to come in all the time and and I remember back in probably 89-ish, I got him to sign the Gretchen Ghost to Nebraska record and I still have that to this day. So whenever you talk to Doug, tell him yeah, man, the guy that just interviewed me still has your signed shit from 1989, man.

Speaker 3: 35:27

Fantastic, he'll love it. Yeah, doug is the. Doug is the by far the greatest human being. That, one of the greatest human beings I've ever met in my life and I'm honored to be his friend and also just a phenomenal person, his whole essence. And I tell you, man, at his age, he is still rocking and he's still doing great. He's always in shape and he's got such a great mental, beautiful outlook on life. The guy is just so phenomenal.

Speaker 1: 35:53

I think he's in his 70s now, is he not? Yeah, he's 73. Well, and that's a testament to get out there and still rock it like that. You know, I know, at 57, I have a hard time getting out of bed some mornings, you know.

Speaker 3: 36:07

So that's pretty impressive. Yeah, you got that right. Yeah, he's badass man, total badass and to that point, who was always the first one on our list, in my opinion, the greatest person that I've got to hang out with, and actually he calls me out on stage. We got to jam with him. He was so great to us with BB King.

Speaker 1: 36:27

Okay.

Speaker 3: 36:28

And if you go to my website you can actually hear me playing with him. It's under the pressing he hit it. It's a short clip but it's me up there playing. He calls me out on stage, which is phenomenal, but the guy was one of the greatest humans I ever met in my life on a regular basis, for who he was as a person. Bb King man. God loved that man.

Speaker 1: 36:47

I think a lot of the casual listeners of music. They don't get the backstory of the people and whatnot, they just kind of hear what they hear on the radio. And that's what I love about doing the show as a musician myself and giving back to my peers and exposing their stuff. I love the stories behind the music and I recently did an interview with a guy named Dave Rowe out of Nashville, was the bass player for Johnny Cash for 11 years and just recently passed, and you know I'm sure a lot of people know about Johnny Cash, but he said Johnny Cash was the greatest human being on the planet to work for and you never know what these people are like. So it's cool to hear your story of BB King and his story of Johnny Cash. We only get what the media gives us, right. You don't ever get to know these people personally. So your story is, it resonates, and it's really cool to hear that side of the human side of the business, right?

Speaker 3: 37:45

Yeah, fantastic. You know, this is an old saying, that people don't remember what you said or did they remember how you made them feel, of course, and my grandma was so, so that you know, I mean, I've had a lot of people pass in my life and things like that, but that is, I tell you. That is so true, man, you can say and you can do, and you can say and do, but if you don't make that, the people they'll remember how you made them feel and I think, you know, obviously through music we all have that blah, blah blah.

Speaker 3: 38:13

But as a human to human aspect, like a conversation that we're having and things like that, man, it's really that is that resonates so much and I will say, yeah, I put Doug right up there, or BB King right up there with Doug. Those guys were just, they just and they don't falter, they're always good.

Speaker 1: 38:30

Yeah, Day in and day out can always count on them. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, I wanted to share a quick clip of a song off of the L DOS record and I'm going to share the song called who Wants a Spankin and when we come back we'll chat about that song. Cool, yeah, that was a song called who Wants a Spankin nice tune and great hook. You know, I listened to the whole catalog and my wife stuck her head in the door the other day. She's like who's that? I said it's the guy I'm interviewing tomorrow night. She's like what a cool song. So I said I'm going to have to expose that to the listeners. Tell me about the three of you guys and how you contribute to the writing of the material, Maybe this song or all of the songs. Is there one of you guys that comes up with the main ideas? Is it a collaborative effort? Is it one person doing the songwriting for Grindr Blues?

Speaker 3: 40:07

We are all songwriters and like, on the first record we had it ain't easy, is my, you know, I did the guitar, did the whole thing, you know, wrote that, the lyrics, all that kind of stuff I would say that was probably the only song that we ever had that was actually all done. And the only reason I'm telling you that is because it's kind of it is might be the coolest project I've ever done, because nobody tells anybody and Doug is really big on this Nobody is going to tell anybody what to play or how to play or anything. Okay, and we go in there with a complete blank page. And actually my brother brought a lot of great wrists on the L-Dos records that we embellished and went on and we write lyrics on the fly, dug panels, most of that, overall irises, so we throw in on that whole thing and so, and yeah, it's because when I have to like say, like we have a Small grinder blues tour, like we got some flying dates or whatever to do or something like that, I kind of have to go back and listen and I don't even know who that drummer is up.

Speaker 3: 41:15

I'm like, why did I even play that? I mean, it was just Free your mind and play what you feel. That's what that project is and it's the coolest project that I've ever done in that regard, the song who wants to spank him. I wish I could like some really cool backstory on this, but this is kind of funny. Jeff came up with the concept, j-bo came up with the concept and the riff and and and I think what he had was the chorus who wants to spank and we're like, okay, well, there's that whole thing there Finds out being, I swear it's about his kids.

Speaker 3: 41:51

Really it's about his kids because awesome the thing is that and I wish I had a maybe a little more cutting-edge story for you, but that is literally about a father fathering his kids. That's who wants to take.

Speaker 1: 42:10

That's that's just as great a story as if you would have went down the other rabbit hole. Man, you know, and it's. And to your point, I had a A guy on my show, local musician here. He wrote a song Called three more bottles. And she's gone and he's a country artist. So you would think, okay, it's about drinking, I'm gonna drink three more bottles and then she's gonna leave me. But what he was singing about is him and his wife were foster parents and they would feed the baby three more bottles and then have to give the baby back to its original mother, right? So you listen in a different way after you understand the meaning, the way the songwriter wrote the song. That's what I love about the stories behind the songs. You just listen in a different way, right?

Speaker 3: 42:56

Yeah, well, that's what that is, and that's cool title of his song, of course. Oh, that's great. Well, yeah, that's how there's. You know any other tunes, but that's how that one came together and is what it is. And we've all done a ton of interviews about that record.

Speaker 1: 43:10

That song always comes up and that's like well, I love all of them, but that one stuck out to me for some reason. You know it's funny. What would resonate to me? Terry might hear a different one that she likes and the guy across the street might like a different one. Off that record. I think it's all taste and that's the beauty of music.

Speaker 3: 43:26

But it's cool what you also records, you know. I wish that we would.

Speaker 3: 43:30

We never really got the right booking agency and we did three European tours. They were great, we did theaters, you know, and everything yeah, but it never really came together on the management side or the booking agency side and I feel bad about that If I don't take anything personal with that, but I think that those I really love those records. I know a lot of people that do and a lot of Doug's heavyweight friends Hit Doug up. You know these records are really cool, they're fun. So I yeah, I don't know I'd be nice to do maybe more or whatever, but those records are very proud of yeah, and that's my dog on the cover.

Speaker 1: 44:03

Is it?

Speaker 3: 44:04

Yeah, that's why it. I had him for sixteen and a half years and he's been on tour buses, he's been he looks cool.

Speaker 3: 44:15

Yeah and I really know some love. So anyways, make my story short why it was at his honest last leg, technically, when I moved into the house with Doug and Doug I sort of got is being the human, that he is treated, that dog like a prince. And every day when he said, hey, scott, you mind, you know if I, if I feed white and I'm like you know if you want to feed white, and it would turn into this like New Orleans band coming down the street of beating Wyatt. Really he's banging them with a wooden spoon and he gets them like the greatest food ever and everything. Oh my god, he was so spoiled and so great.

Speaker 3: 44:52

And when the record label said, hey, you know what's the record, what are we gonna put on the cover of this record? I Didn't feel like I had the soul say in that. So I just hit up Doug and Jbo and Doug immediately came back with this picture that I took, a white from a long time ago, and he said let's do that as a cover. My brother said let's do it. So, yeah, there's why, with the cowboy hat, yeah, lcc top, kind of thing going on.

Speaker 1: 45:17

Of course. Well, you mentioned to to the listeners that that's who's on the front of the record, but you called the record L Dulse. Where does that name come from?

Speaker 3: 45:26

That came within five minutes of just putting this all together. We're putting Wyatt on the cover and Doug said let's call it L Dose because it's our second record.

Speaker 1: 45:35

There you go. Definitely not overthought your story suck, man. I wanted more story, better, better meetings. No, this is great man, great stuff yeah well handles and turn books.

Speaker 3: 45:48

Yeah, no, we just threw it out there. Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1: 45:50

No, I was gonna also say, before we kind of got off the music spot, that I listened to some of the 2015 stuff from you as well, and I love the song yesterday, by the way. Oh, great, great stuff, yeah. And I wanted to turn kind of quickly and chat about the Emmy Awards. What, what an accomplishment. I mean, how many people can say that they've even been nominated, let alone win Emmy Awards? Right, show what the listeners, what the four Emmys were for.

Speaker 3: 46:18

It's total luck. My brother and I got hooked up with Warner Chappell and we just got tons of massive movie and TV placements and we had songs on Sons of Anarchy, documentaries. Our Last Emmy that we won, where we were the last band ever to record out of Cherokee Studios in Los Angeles, okay, and they did a documentary on that and it won an Emmy. It's great. You get nominated and then you go to the event, you get your tuxedo and you actually win. It's a total luck.

Speaker 3: 46:52

I just have no idea. I can't even really say anything more about it. It's just one of those things. Does it put you in a hopper oshelont? I think it does. But what it does is they just throw you like here's the budget of the production, here's the budget. Man, I don't care if you got Grammys, emmys, you got to work within that budget and that's really what it is.

Speaker 3: 47:12

And yeah, at our level, yeah, we've got Emmys and this guy's got Emmys and this guy's got Grammys and it's just, I don't know it's, it's an umpire-o-shelont thing, but it they're really beautiful trophies. I give them to my mom. You know I love her and I give her that and they're cool to look at. But I don't think they. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like being if you go to war and you come back with a silver star, yeah kid. Oh. I mean it's like, well, I got a silver, I got a thing on my jacket or I got this or that, but it hasn't really put like more money in my pocket, right, people think they don't swimming. There's a beautiful trophies. You got that on your thing, you know.

Speaker 1: 47:46

Yeah, I think it's interesting that you say that, because you you made a reference to you know a guy in the military coming back with a you know a purple heart or a bronze star. Yeah, I'm not a military guy, so I may not have even said those right, but to them, while that's, it's probably more prestigious To the civilian than it is to them, because in their mind I was just doing my job, man you know I'm saying, and for you they'll write on man, I was just playing the drums or I was just strumming a chord and it just worked out and I got nominated and I won the award.

Speaker 1: 48:18

So you don't think too much about it, but for the outsider looking in it's like holy shit, man, that's really cool, and I know your mom is proud to have the Emmys sitting on a shelf somewhere in the house. I mean, how many moms can say that that their kids have have one Emmy? So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3: 48:33

Yeah, I appreciate that, I really do. But again Back to your military thing. It's like we both are going into war. I might have done something to Impress somebody for a minute to earn that thing, but I'm not any better than all my comrades on the field. So, yeah, the Emmy thing is like you know, man, it's total fucking luck. I, you just, it just happens and you have to write people that are doing it for you. So, like Warner, chaplain, they're getting it to the right people, they're getting it to the right things, and I've been very fortunate in that regard that I got trophies. Does that make me cooler than people?

Speaker 1: 49:07

No, look, I got a trophy your music has appeared like on many of the major networks, correct, fox?

Speaker 3: 49:16

Oh, yeah, yeah, hundreds, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sons of Aeronarkey was always fun because we had the season five finale on that. You're watching the show and it's a season five and everybody's. You know we used to have parties. Yeah, like you know, punch a people, come over on a big screen and watch and they there. It is Also video games. We were I want to fly was the main track on one of the heat NASCAR heat or whatever. Okay, that was cool, yeah, and I gotta tell you we were in Prague and stuff like that and One of the movies that we had came on and I even forgot about it. I'm literally in my hotel room and it's like 1 30 in the morning and I'm ringing my brother's room. Go dude. Yeah, turn on TV, man, that movie that we did our tunes playing. You know it's fun.

Speaker 1: 50:03

If you put some of your music on a game like that is, is that Mel box money forever for you? How does that work, you know, without going down rabbit hole right.

Speaker 3: 50:13

I think, well, yeah, the residuals are phenomenal when they first hit and then they peter down to nothing. Okay, but the thing on the video game with that, I think that was a buyout. Possibly, I don't know if that was a residual thing. I think that was a buyout. Crucial music I think our publisher got us that one, but, um, yeah, for everything else. You know, and I'm also in the screen actors guild and all that.

Speaker 1: 50:34

So you get Union money, you get that kind of stuff and it's good work when you get it, brother, when you get it the reason I asked that is I had a buddy on the show, lead singer for a band called hardline, johnny Gio Alli and, and Johnny sang in a band called crush 40 and crush 40 Did many, many, many songs for the sonic, the hedgehog video games right. So their stuff is constantly played all the time and I don't think I ever asked Johnny about is that just kind of Mel box Bunny? So when you brought up the game thing I was wondering if, like a songwriter, you know every time that that song yeah, no, played on the radio or record or whatever so.

Speaker 3: 51:18

I assume that's the same.

Speaker 1: 51:19

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 51:20

You know, even talking at the Fogarty camp and you're just kind of, I mean, I know my place or sit on the couch, you know talks like that. But yeah, he said that the gold rush is over. Man, the Spotify thing is a massive disaster for so many artists. I'm not even talking about where I'm sitting with the problem between the technology, yeah, but I'm saying that he's kind of mind blown because it's like you not only got paid for being on the radio, you got paid for record sales, you also got paid for merchandise and the gig money, yeah, and it's like it's all gone Except for the gig money. And yeah, the merchandise is cool. But, um, man, I tell you I wish I would have, I mean, 10 years. Either way, the people from the 70s on up, uh till Hell, napster hit or whatever. I mean we, they, everybody was doing great.

Speaker 3: 52:08

My brother and I recorded our first record. That was actually produced by Jim Gaines, which is a big feather in our cap, but we put it out independently, man and we, we sold thousands of those records and well, I mean it's got us my we know More than just for houses and shit. Sure, yeah, of course you know, and that kind of stuff plus gig money and stuff and then and then it just keeps petering away. You know, and we never really took uh, youtube seriously. That was probably a bad decision there, but for a lot of our songs, for in our records, we're like we're not gonna spend 3 000 bucks on a video we probably should have, you know.

Speaker 3: 52:41

But, um, it's very Darwin on the ways that it's not the strongest animal or the smartest animal that survives, it's the most adaptable, absolutely. And uh, you know the heyday, like these new artists that are doing their thing, uh, I'm glad I don't know like how much money. I mean, jellyroll is doing really great and God bless them and I know that he's Got some pretty cool things Financially happening, but I think that he would be. I don't think he's as rich as he could have been if it was. This would have been 20 years ago makes sense, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 53:17

Yeah he's at that level to where? I think it's actually, I mean he's not hurt. I know he's not hurt, but my thing is is that and I'm only using him as an example, I mean any artist that is Is going right now just Spotify? I mean the whole. It's bullshit, man.

Speaker 2: 53:32

It's like you dog had a really good thing.

Speaker 3: 53:34

Snoop dog is on top of it. He had a really good rebuttal to like what is going on sure.

Speaker 1: 53:38

What are you gonna say about it?

Speaker 3: 53:40

Anyways, that's all I got to say about that.

Speaker 1: 53:42

Yeah, I wanted to ask you if, with total respect and for your playing and your musicianship, and not to slight you in any way, this is I preface what I'm gonna say by telling you that, but You'll see where I'm going with this but do you ever, or have you ever, set in a room with the John Foger these are the world and said how in the fuck did I get here, man? I'm working with some of these elite people, man, you know that. You know. You know what I'm saying. Right, it's and it's not to slight your talents in any means, but sometimes we just pinch ourselves and say what in the hell, man? This is a legend that I'm sitting here, the BB Kings, the John Foger, knees of the world, right, my dude, I got to sit around for six weeks with Ray Charles Buddy guy.

Speaker 3: 54:33

You know, billy Gibbons, we're on the road, I mean it's. I got to sit at a intimate table At the White House with the president, united States, and what I'm saying with that is is how the hell did I get there? I Got to tell you, man, I got to reflect back on it's the hustle, and there's something about the hustle, like you're not hustling these gigs, but you're hustling in and a perpetuating atmosphere universally. That is putting things in motion that you have to do Physically. Like I'm a Taoist, you know, I'm very much into the Dowdy Ching and how Dow works and everything like that. My thing is, though, you still have to be active. Things will come to you, but you still have to be active. And again, how did I get here? I don't know. I don't think I suck.

Speaker 1: 55:26

It was the good looks, wasn't it? If you're not gonna say it, I'll just say it for you. I don't want you to toot your own horn man. Hey, hey, real quick. What about tell me in the listeners a little bit about Some of the endorsements that you have? You still carry some endorsements with.

Speaker 3: 55:49

You know I've been all over the map on my endorsements. Epiphone has been phenomenal to me. They gave me a Country, deluxe, beautiful, it's like a 335 orange Big speed thing is just incredible and that's been phenomenal. Um, doug actually just hooked me up with the shector. Shector gave me a really nice.

Speaker 3: 56:11

Telecaster version of the telecaster and I did something I don't know while I go back, did Stamik. Actually they're a lower line of guitars but their top lines are really well, really good, and they've been. They get sent me like nine guitars. Okay, it was just phenomenal. But yeah, on the drumming thing, I'm with soul tone symbols, I'm with regal tip drum six. I got a Remo heads, dw hardware. They've been really good on, they've been really great on Mike, my pedals and all that kind of stuff. But I was with this symbol symbols for a million years. So yeah, the endorsement things, a rabbit hole. I'm kind of at the point where I have so I don't need any more gear.

Speaker 3: 56:53

I Mean I don't, I don't need you're like on the on the drumming side of things yeah, you break a symbol that's gonna dent your pocketbook. You want to have a really good relationship with your endorsements with that and sticks yeah, but I don't need any more guitars. I don't need any more drums yeah, I get it, I get I can hardly play what I got.

Speaker 1: 57:13

Yeah, you could only get so much of that stuff right and you're like, well, I'm gonna just give the rest of it away, or whatever right.

Speaker 3: 57:20

Yeah, and I've got rock star friends who are I'm not gonna say who, but they have like.

Speaker 1: 57:26

They know somebody 50, 50 drum.

Speaker 3: 57:29

You know and it's like so I guess you know you can liquidate it when you get older or something. But my thing is is uh, yeah, retirement and God bless endorsements. I mean I never take endorsement lightly. You know, I would never like sell an endorsement piece, like I still have the guitars they send me and it's like I just I'm not gonna sell them. I played them and I take pictures with them and stuff. But I gotta tell you I was, but I'm a phone man. They're great. I'm a my. I've got my Epiphone J 200 jumbo that I played forever. And then the Shecter is great, and then the Country deluxe.

Speaker 1: 58:03

Yeah Well, speaking of Epiphone, I was at the Gibson garage in Nashville not too long ago and I had my eye on a J 200 and she boy, that's hard to pull the trigger on that, but what I'm? What an amazing guitar to add to the collection. Right, scott, from a music perspective, is there. You spoke of it a little earlier. Tell us about the new stuff that the listeners can look forward to, and then talk a little bit about any Upcoming small tours, big tours, shows that you might have as well.

Speaker 3: 58:33

Yeah, I have my record coming out. Well, here's the deal I got to work out the whole record contracts and how that's gonna go, etc. But I'm very excited about that record, the song right on that. So that's what I'm very Excited about and how that's coming around.

Speaker 3: 58:50

The grad of losing you know we've been talking about doing at least of the EP or something. The Dugs fired up. My brother's got some riffs. We just need to get in the same room and knock that out. I'd loved it. I mean, I love playing with that band, I really do. The tours that we've done, everything like that, are great. I'd like to do more of that. The focus thing comes to goes yeah, okay, you know John's brother calls me and let's me know, kind of like what's going on or this and that, and sometimes things get canceled. A lot of Things get canceled due to COVID. Now that we got a grip on that, it's not as bad, but that was definitely a thing. Yeah, and I'm always on call. So you know anybody looking or need or opportunities, that kind of thing, but that's about it have work will travel right.

Speaker 1: 59:32

That's the motto. Yeah, where can the listeners find you on social media?

Speaker 3: 59:37

I am on Instagram. I am Scott Billman, with one T, always Scott Billman. On Facebook, I am Scott Billman on my band page, which is little Billman. Please come over there because I've got a lot of cool things I post on that. There is grinder blues on most of our Facebook page is pretty much updated all the time. That's on Facebook, grinder blues, and then my clothing line. I actually have a really cool clothing line that I've got going on right now called hillbilly royalty. That's at hillbilly royalty calm and that's done really, really well, especially out of Nashville, and there's a lot of influential people that wear that and I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:00:19

Very cool and just to mention also grinder blues, calm. People can find you there, scott Billman, right calm on the websites. A lot of people don't think about the the websites too much anymore because of all the social media, but you guys can definitely find Scott and information about what he has going on there. This has been super cool, man. I appreciate you for, you know, for taking the time Sharing the story. I wish you guys continued success with the music and any any shows and tours that you have coming up, and maybe when some the new stuff comes up, you can Text me and we'll do a Quick segue and and put something out there for the new stuff as well. Sound like a plan?

Speaker 3: 1:01:03

It sounds like a great plan. All right, so much. It's been an honor talking to you, buddy.

Speaker 1: 1:01:07

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Speaker 2: 1:01:35

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