S5: E4 - Paul Noyola - East Texas Pickin and Patroling

Paul Noyola Transcript

Sat, Aug 19, 2023 6:13PM • 1:08:57

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SPEAKERS

Paul Noyola, Randy Hulsey, Adam Gordon

Randy Hulsey  00:00

Hello, I stumbled across today's guest on YouTube while on one of my Saturday morning binges. Hey, you guys, it's Randy Hulsey here with backstage pass radio. And the interview is coming to you from right here inside the crystal vision studios this evening. Stick around and I will introduce you to talented Texas singer songwriter Paul noil. When we return,

Adam Gordon  00:24

this is backstage pass radio, the podcast that's designed for the music junkie with a thirst for musical knowledge. Hi, this is Adam Gordon. And I want to thank you all for joining us today. Make sure you like subscribe and turn alerts on for this and all upcoming podcasts. And now here's your host of backstage pass radio. Randy Halsey.

Randy Hulsey  00:53

Ball welcome, man. It's great to see you finally D. Thank

Paul Noyola  00:55

you, buddy. Thanks for making time for sure. Sure. We

Randy Hulsey  00:57

kind of been going back and forth a little bit for a couple of months now. Right? So

Paul Noyola  01:02

have I keep up with you online and see all the cool stuff. You're

Randy Hulsey  01:04

doing? Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Sit down and talk. Yeah, man. And you're actually I'll go on record to say you're the first person to come in and interview in the newly expanded crystal vision studio here. If the listeners can see in their mind's eye there was actually right where that white guitar is right there. There was a wall that separated that was a bedroom on that side, right? And this was my studio from their towards the window here. And I told my wife it's like, and I'm outgrowing the side of the house so we knocked the wall down and expanded so I love it you're breaking it in man you're breaking an end it's comfortable it's inviting right on well this worked out perfect because you're playing later right up the street here on Teleki road so you're in the area already

Paul Noyola  01:51

in the area so it was nice convenient. Yeah, awesome.

Randy Hulsey  01:55

Awesome. Well, welcome to Cypress we'll talk a little bit about where you call home and where you're from here in a minute but I was gonna go ahead and put you on the spot earlier and see if you could maybe kick us off with an original song data this go on man

Paul Noyola  02:07

definitely would love to awesome All right tell you me tell you the name of this one right here will

Randy Hulsey  02:11

tell us the name and then when we come back we'll talk about it right

Paul Noyola  02:14

but this one's called holding on to hope I released this one this past March awesome

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turn away eternal

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to sing the songs we sing.

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Then we feel you can see to never

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turn away

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right a man from Again we

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bring you go to the

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to God

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nothing, nothing

Randy Hulsey  06:40

that was the recently released holding on to hope. Great job Paul sounded great, man,

Paul Noyola  06:46

thank you so much. Yeah, that was kind of my first song coming back out here and starting to play again. I know there's other guys and gals out there that they're musicians, they're artists at heart. And they kind of come bounce in and out of the scene over the years and, and that's definitely what I've done just you know, life and other things going on. And I've been out of it for man, probably five or six years now. And holding on to hope was a song I wrote about 12 or 13 years ago. And I never did anything with it, I recorded a little demo and had it and I just liked the song I really it meant a lot to me. And I wanted to do something with it. And so when I started getting all this stuff together and getting, thinking about performing again and writing again and playing again, I dug that went out and got it recorded and do it out there into the world.

Randy Hulsey  07:45

I dig that. And we'll talk a little bit more about the weaving in and out of the business here in just a minute. But thanks for letting me just throw you to the wolves there right off the bat. And it's nothing like saying, Go get them boys. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes that's the best I hear you. Well, you have a very nice tenor voice. And I can I can say that I wish I had one. I've been blessed with a nice voice. I think that's that's gotten me by over the years, but it's more of that baritone voice, right. So I can pull off a lot of baritone things that a lot of people can in that lower register, right. But I think that that tenor voice just sits in the pocket of the highs and lows of a guitar and it just sounds so nice. So nice job. I think he's great, great vocals that are man, what would you say you kind of told us what the song was about. But what do you think inspired the song for you,

Paul Noyola  08:38

man heartbreak, you know, it was a relationship song. And it was a breakup song. And as I wrote it, it kind of took a life on its own without necessarily coming out and maybe being a heartbreak song that hits you in the face. You know, it's it kind of morphed into just a life song and the way I use the word hope not getting into the weeds too much. But the girl I was dating at the time, that was her name.

Randy Hulsey  09:07

Okay, and yeah,

Paul Noyola  09:09

so so you don't see that on the face of it that it was no, you take it as I'm holding on to hope Sure. When I say it like that. It was a breakup song interesting. Her name was hope. And so it kind of took a life on its own, like I said and a meaning on its own and, and I don't think of it as a as a in those terms. Now. There's been a lot of life lived between the time I wrote that song and now but yeah,

Randy Hulsey  09:34

it's cool how good songwriters, there's plays on words. That is just awesome. And I think that's what makes a great songwriter like nobody would have ever picked up that her name was actually hope and I had a guest in the past on my show by the name of Carl Hutton and Kyle is a local singer songwriter here and runs a great podcast. It's called Real I for old music that he does from live from dosey doe. And he brings in some great artists on that show. But he, he said here in the studio with me, and he wrote a song called three more bottles, and she's gone. And on the surface that song sounds like it's a drinking song, three more bottles, and she's gone. But the thing that people, well, they would have learned after the interview, but he was a foster parent. And so they would get the babies. Right. And he just knew that three more bottles, and she was going to be gone back to the original mother. Right? And so it was, it got real heavy at that point in time, right? Because I think a lot of people just hear music on the surface. But but probably guys like you and I, we get in the weeds of the song, what's the song about? And you know, so that's really cool, the play on words, the lyrics, they're, they're pretty amazing. So

Paul Noyola  10:53

Well, thank you. And that's something I normally don't do. I don't know, if I've ever there's probably a handful of people that know what that song is about. And it's not something I've I usually come out and talk about, not really on a lot of my songs. I don't really sit and dissect them for people. Sure. Because I'm, I'm not I'm very abstract writer and a lot of ways. And I think that may appeal to lyrically. Sure they appeal to a wider base of people hopefully, because maybe you can apply it to your life or your life or your life more than just if it was a direct, you know, in your face Lear. Sure.

Randy Hulsey  11:29

That's very, very common in the conversations that I've had over the last couple of years with artists, they usually don't tell the behind the scenes stories, because they want you to use the music and the canvas how you want to interpret it. But it's still neat to know because I believe that people listen to them in a different way, right? Go use it how you want. But this is what the songwriter was telling you about. So if you care anything about that, that's great if you don't use it as your own. I love both ways, right? You can use it both ways. Because how many times you know, were you a teenager driving down the road and you just broke up with the girl and you hear that song? Come on the radio. It's like, wait a minute to this guy. No, I just broke up with like, it's like they wrote it for me. That was you know that I interpreted it my own way. Right. Well share with us a little bit about where you grew up. And then where you call home now.

Paul Noyola  12:24

Yeah, I I was born in Port Arthur, Texas, in the city. And in my early teens, about 13 years old. I my mom and dad got divorced. And my mother moved us up to the country in a place called Brooklyn, Texas. Over on Lake Sam Rayburn. Okay, over in East Tennessee, Texas. Yeah. And that's where I am today. I've never left. I've had opportunities to leave for different things, you know, for jobs and things, but I don't want to be anywhere else. I mean, I guess you could look at it. Like, some people work their whole lives to move to a place like that. And I'm there and living a wonderful life and the life I want to live in. And while I leave, you know, you're way

Randy Hulsey  13:08

ahead of the curve, then I guess. I guess you could look at it like that. Yeah. And how long have you been there in Brooklyn?

Paul Noyola  13:15

Yeah, since I was 13. So probably 30 years I've been up in in Brooklyn. Yeah, it's just a little little spot on the map. Or one, one stoplight?

Randy Hulsey  13:24

Yeah. I've been through a few of those. And when I say

Paul Noyola  13:28

I live in the country, like a lot of people don't comprehend what that even means. Like my nearest neighbor is probably a mile from me. No could I live out in the middle of the woods? I'm surrounded by 1000s of acres of land that's owned by the timber industry and then National Forest and so like I'm like lone survivor you know,

Randy Hulsey  13:53

so on a dark night you can actually see the stars where you are right yes. Like like no fraud. You know what I've gone up my buddy had a place up in Woodville right? Not far from Yeah, not far. And man it's so crazy on you know, when it gets dark you look up and you see millions of stars in the skies and I always said Why can we not see that in the city? It's because of all the lights in the sky right? That's right. And it's an amazing sight because here you know in the Cypress area you look up you see a star here a star there right but you know out there where you are man it's it's breathtaking. The

Paul Noyola  14:32

it would shock some people because like, you know, the noises that you're accustomed to hear the traffic noises and the sirens and just everything from the city like it's no it's just bugs and frogs. way distant sound of a highway somewhere far away. Coyote Talon and that owls Hooton and stuff. I mean, that's, that's the way it is.

Randy Hulsey  14:55

I talked to somebody the other day, you know, I've always been the city boy and I said, you know, the older I get The more appealing it is to get away from, I just don't human well anymore, right? I'm ready to just. But then I think about it on the same hand and say I don't. I'm so used to the amenities of the city restaurants I have to drive seven miles to get to the grocery store. I'd probably starve to 2020 Yeah, honey, there you go. And I have a friend, a girlfriend that I graduated from high school with that bought a bunch of land out in Pike Creek in the hill country. And she's like, Yeah, it's like 22 miles to get to. And I'm like, Mary, that's crazy. Like I couldn't imagine like, if you forget something at the store, what do you do? Well, you wait till the next runs?

Paul Noyola  15:41

Well, those lists come in handy. Oh, yeah. So that's, I mean, it's a way of life for the most part like that. With little stuff like that. It's definitely a way of life living.

Randy Hulsey  15:49

That's cool. Like, that's cool. I have to get out there to your place on time and actually see the stars again, that will

Paul Noyola  15:55

shock you because I'd be like, come on, Randy. We're gonna go coyote hunting or hog hunting or something.

Randy Hulsey  16:01

That would be different, for sure. Well, who are what do you feel the culprit was for giving you the musical itch? When you were a kid? Where did that come from? For you?

Paul Noyola  16:12

It's a tough one, I guess. Because I guess if it was going to be one because my family, you know, my mom and dad, my immediate family, we didn't have you know, a lot of these artists now are they when my mom and dad played music, or we all sat around and saying that everybody played an instrument, so it wasn't like that my house. So my aunt, my dad's sister had a guitar. Now that family, my dad's family, there were musicians in that family, but I didn't, I didn't know any of that. That family is so spread out, you know, in age with those brothers and sisters, and, and so my aunt was quite older than that all that was family was a lot older than me. So I wasn't really, you know, we weren't close in age. So I know a lot of the stories and all the history and things like that. But from what I learned later, was that there were a lot of musicians in that family of fiddle players and guitar players and, and I inherited a guitar, Gibson, B 25, from my aunt. And, you know, I think it just it I was about 12 years old. And it was kind of me wanting to emulate the music. I think I've been to a couple of concerts. I thought it was cool to see, you know, George Strait on stage or Dwight Yokomen. I loved Dwight Yoakam when I was at it. I mean, I just loved what he did, because he did it so differently. And he he had a rock element to it, he was a little edgy and loose Bakersfield

Randy Hulsey  17:43

sound, a honky tonk, you know, and I was loved.

Paul Noyola  17:46

I still do love that. I love that. And, and so it was kind of wanting to emulate those guys and learn their songs and stuff. So I just acquired that guitar. And I'll sit down. And like I said, My parents divorced about that time. And so it was a comfort to me to be able to sit down and play the songs. And not only play in those songs, was that a comfort to me, trying to learn a new a new thing, a new thing of playing guitar with kind of took my mind away from what was going on in life. But that's kind of where the creativity of the even the songwriting started. Even that early on, when I first grabbed the guitar, I was wanting to create my own songs and things and I may not have known to chord progressions, but you know, I was trying to write songs as they were even then. So I think that was the genesis of, of me kind of make sense and interested in music. And it wasn't long after that. I felt comfortable enough to I think the very first gig I ever did was probably ninth or 10th grade in school, whatever I was about 13 or 14, and we have a big homecoming event at our school, there Brooklyn, every year and I talked to one of the people that run it's like, let me come up there. And when everybody's eaten in the cafeteria, you know, because they would serve food. And I was like, let me get on the stage and, and play my guitar. And it was a big deal for me. And, and I got up there and did that. And man, I was scared to death. And what's funny is I still get so nervous when I perform. At first, you know, to an extent, I remember how nervous I was. Yeah. I think that was part of the excitement of just getting that nervous insurance nerves and getting in front of

Randy Hulsey  19:27

here. It's that's interesting that you say that. Somebody asked me that in an interview one time I did an interview with the Tomball press and they said, Are you are you nervous? Before shows and I said, You know what? I'm not man. I just, maybe I've done it so many times that I don't even think about it. So if I'm in front of, you know, 100 people or 150 people and I've played festivals for like 3000 it doesn't bother me, but if I sit down in front of like three people, it's like it's kind of nerve wracking because, as you know, with an acoustic guitar, there's no high hiding behind things. It's it's just so raw. It's just you coming through the guitar, and you hear all the mistakes, all the errors, right? And that's, that's the beauty of the acoustic instrument, right? And people always wonder, really, why don't you play the electric anymore. I just get so much satisfaction from the acoustic man. Yeah, you're talking

Paul Noyola  20:19

about how much pressure is on you when you're playing acoustic and stuff. That's why I've really pushed myself, since I've started performing again over the last six or eight months, push myself to get out and do these acoustic performances. Because out of every kind of performance I've done, when I've got a band behind me, man, piece of cake, like I still get nerves, but gosh, I can get on stage. And the last few bands I was in I was I didn't play an instrument unless we did like an acoustic song in the show. You know, I was grabbing the mic, and I was getting after it out front and just just performing and entertaining. And that was set so easy. And it's so much fun. But like you're saying, when you soon as you sit down with a few people, or small room, and you're on acoustic man, that's probably the hardest performance I can think of, of doing.

Randy Hulsey  21:08

They call that a safety net. You know, when you got three of your best buddies up on stage that are making some racket with you, oh, he's like, you're just up there doing your thing. You don't think about it. But when you're out there in front, with an acoustic guitar and a mic, you're vulnerable, right? You're vulnerable to mistakes, you're vulnerable to just things in general that band does not cause those drums are getting hit so heavy, you know, if you like Miss fredda, a core or a solo? Nobody thinks or nobody hears it, right? Because there's other instruments covering you. Right? Not with the acoustic it's not like that, right? So was there an instrument before the guitar for you? Or has it always just been the guitar wasn't?

Paul Noyola  21:49

I grew up going to church, you hear this all the time, I grew up going to church and singing to church. That was true for me too. So that the singing part was was something I've done from an early age and been subjected to through church and things. And that was one of the first times I got up in front of people. And you know, when I was like six years old singing in front of the congregation in church, but as far as an instrument, no, that was we had a piano in our house growing up, but it was more like a fixture, you know, just a piece of furniture, piece of furniture, and we'd bang on it. But I never took the initiative to learn how to play it. I wish I would have if there was any additional instrument I would like to play. It'd be the piano for sure. And that's for songwriting purposes.

Randy Hulsey  22:31

So beautiful, beautiful instrument for sure. That was my background was classical piano.

Paul Noyola  22:37

I wish I knew that.

Randy Hulsey  22:39

Yeah. Well, were you. So you're basically I think I understand you or you were kind of self taught on the guitar, there was no really formal lessons or any theory lessons. It was just you're just picking around and just learning what you learn and how you learn it. Yeah,

Paul Noyola  22:53

I've never really taken a taken a lesson before I had guys that would, over the years, sit down with me and show me how to play different songs and things like that, but no real, like, legitimate classes or anything like that. And so

Randy Hulsey  23:06

sometimes that's better, though. I

Paul Noyola  23:07

don't know. I don't know. Because I feel like I've just kind of, you're slow to progress that way. Unless you got somebody kind of pushing you. So I wish I would have done that. I wish I would have.

Randy Hulsey  23:20

Well, it sounds like you know, you got going with the guitar. And you began the whole songwriting thing pretty quickly after picking up the guitar, right? I did.

Paul Noyola  23:28

And there was a local guy that lived in my little area. And he was a local entertainer. And his name was Lobo. Loggins. He lives up in in Tennessee, or somewhere now, but lo both heard about me. And, you know, he heard that there was some 15 year old kid running around, wanting to gig and performing at these little things here and there. And somehow or another, I got invited over to his house, he sat down with me. And he was he's one of those guys that showed me, you know, how to play some songs and things like that. Well, he realized, I don't know if I had written something by then and or if I had played something that I had written, or I just expressed interest that I wanted to write to him. But he turned me on to a guy that lived down in Vitor, Texas, he said, You need to go down there and meet my buddy Don Rollins. And I was like a, like I said, a 15 or so I must have been 16 at the time when this happened, because I was driving myself down to Don's house. So I didn't really know who don was or anything. LeBeau just told me that he was a songwriter. So I contacted Don and made arrangements to go medium and everything in a show up. And Don just kind of took me under his wing. And I didn't really realize what all he was doing at the time, but he was a staff writer for Warner Chappell. And was he was kind of, I guess, I'm gonna guess here but I think he was just kind of beginning his songwriting journey on that level. And Don, really entered me in songwriting for a while nice and some of the first songs that I wrote that actually went later and performed. I've never recorded them but I went on to perform them in the band I was in in my in my mid to late teens. Me and Don had written some of that material. And Don was nice enough to me that he was going up to Nashville to record some demos of to submit to Warner Chappell and invited me to go with him. So here I am, like a 16 or 17 year old kid getting invited to go to Nashville boss, a staff writer for Warner Brothers and Warner Chappell and, and there was a guy from Lufkin, Texas that had moved up there also, that was also a staff writer at Warner Chappell. And his name was David Williams. And he went by D, Vincent Williams. And we met up with him, I hung out with him up there in town for like, five or seven days or something, went to the studio and watched all these demos, get cut out, do some songwriting sessions with David Williams, I was up there. And I think back now, you know, you've got this kid, the 16 or 17 year old kid with minimal life experience, minimal music experience. And they're just sitting down with me taking their time their staff writers for this giant publishing company. And they're taking their time to mentor me and, and help me along with my songwriting and guitar playing and all that. And, man, that kind of kindness is something that never leaves you didn't never lose you. And it's something I always think about and, and I'm still in contact with Don to this day. And to keep in touch with him. He since he moved to Nashville, at one point lived there for a while. Matter of fact, Don Rollins was a co writer on the Grammy Award winning song, it's five o'clock somewhere that Jackson, Dawn was the CO writer on that he's written a couple of a lot of other stuff that's been recorded by a lot of other well known artists. But that's the the big one, the big one I can think of right off. And Don has since moved back to Southeast Texas, and I'm back in touch with him. And I've expressed to him several times, I've reached out to him several times, like Don, you never will fully know what that meant to me. You used to take your time some dumb kid, then had a dream. Sure. And you spend your time with him. But it just means so much to me. It means, of course, it's something that I try to keep in my mind when I see other other youngsters wanting to get into it, or

Randy Hulsey  27:21

they call paying it back or paying it forward. Right? Yeah, I guess so. Well, I think a couple years after you started playing the guitar, you immediately jumped right into play in three and four hour shows, you know, and those are, as you and I both know, for our shows can be a pure ass weapon vocally. Right? And for the listeners, this is this is probably somewhere around 40 or so songs. A fourth a four hour show is probably about 40 songs. So imagine putting them on the radio and just singing 40 songs straight. That's about what it equates to. Would you agree?

Paul Noyola  27:59

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think you're referring back to Tom when I was in my mid teens there. And I got a job at the local country club performing every Friday night. It was their it was their steak night, you know, and the story that led up to that is just a part of my life journey that, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade I definitely wouldn't trade any part of this, what I'm about to tell you, but I'm so thankful where I am today. And it's every little piece of that. That's happened to me, my life has led to me even sitting here with you. Yeah. But when I was in high school, I met my first band members. And well, there was a group, we had driver's education. That's what it was. And I'll try to make this as fast as possible. Because it's a cool story. It tells a lot about where I came from, and why things were like they were. But SARMS, performing a little bit, doing some solo stuff around in the in the area and just wasn't doing that gig yet. That Friday night gig. Well, I was taking driver's ed, and a group of kids that come over from another private school not far from me. And it was a couple of guys and a couple of girls. Well, I started going out with one of the girls from that group. And then I got to be good buddies with a couple of the guys and they were musicians, and ended up forming my first band with those two guys. And this was about in 94 Okay, in the summer of 94. And it was kind of a summer fling, you know, I guess to dating this girl and things and hell, I was 15 years old. You know, I was young, and saw establish that band with those guys around that time and ended up playing with him for the next four years or so. And well, she got pregnant. Yeah. So my son was born March of 295. And I'm a 16 enroll kid, um, you know what 11th grade in school. And so life just hit me in the face, you know, like, you got to some major responsibilities now. And so I needed some income. And so I was working at a auto mechanic shop after school for a couple of hours. And the music thing at the time, I was just performing that little, you know, stuff here and there. And what else still kind of, I've only been playing a year or two, and I wasn't really good. But I was getting out playing these little things here and there. So my mom had the idea that I needed to go over to this country club just down the road from us, and try to get a job performing over there and see if I can make some extra additional money. So I went talk to the chef, the chef was a big Austrian dude. And he could barely speak English. And I walked in, he's really intimidating, because it's a big guy. And his name was Patrick. And Patrick. He's like, Oh, you cuz I just walked in like kind of cold walked into rooms, like asked to see somebody in charge. And he's like, Sure, we'll come back on Wednesday night, I want you to come back next Wednesday night, and I want you to play like an hour or two. And I'll see which, if you're good enough. So I did that he ended up hiring me. And he he just kind of said, well, indefinitely, you're the Friday night entertainment, the country club. So that's what I did. Because I could make man I can make like three or four times more money on one Friday evening than working all week at the auto shelter, you know, during the week, and was a 16 year old kid, and I really needed to make that money to support my son. And, and so yeah, that's how that came about. And that's

Randy Hulsey  31:47

where you've played in a multitude of bands over the years. Do you prefer the solo thing? Or do you prefer the band thing, talk to the listeners a little bit of man,

Paul Noyola  31:59

I prefer the band thing for sure. The solo thing, man, they're two different worlds. And they really are the solo thing. Man, it almost kind of comes down to the material also. Because especially with some of the stuff I'm writing now, that's really singer songwriter II type stuff, man, I can really connect with you with those songs and my acoustic guitar. And a band would kind of almost degrade,

Randy Hulsey  32:25

muddy, muddy, you know

Paul Noyola  32:27

what that song is about. But as far as just like freedom of expression and entertainment value and get the just go wild on stage and sing as loud as you can and perform is as hard as you want to, like the band like that, or that's the most fun typical vibe. There's nothing like it.

Randy Hulsey  32:50

Well, I think throughout the years, you know, you've shared the stage with some pretty big name artists, I think LeAnn Rimes and Mark chestnut come to mind, but share with the listeners kind of like the feeling a musician gets when they either play or invited to play on a bill with some of these names of people that just are huge in the industry, or people that you've idolized over the years. What does that feeling like?

Paul Noyola  33:19

It's, it's humbling in a way. Man, I tell you. It's, especially at a younger age, because a lot of this stuff was happening to me before I was 20 years old. Okay. So as a kid, as a child, basically, as a teenager, that kind of stuff happening for you. It I didn't handle it always, maybe the right way or process it the right way. Now, I would definitely I would be not that I didn't appreciate it, then it's, it's hard to explain. As a kid, you probably have these dreams of rock star Oh, I'm sure you're gonna be a big star. And everybody's looking at me and you're real self centered in some ways, and it's hard for kids to process a lot of that for sure. And so how that felt, I mean, it made me hold my chest up high your walk around, like are very proud, you know? And not that I wouldn't be proud now if something like that happened. But I definitely process it differently. Like and plus you been doing it a little longer. So it's kind of like you, you just kind of go with the flow now. It's like oh, this is cool. And and I've got people I respect in the industry and things, but I just kind of really look at people as people more now Sure. When I was a kid, you know, you had these idols in music and it was like a, like one for instance, man, I love Tracy Byrd. He was from my area, and he started his bass tournament series down there on like Sam Rayburn. Man, it must have been like the late 90s. He did his first bass tournament down there and I was friends with the SEALs who were putting that tournament on. And I got a slot to be the performer the ACT down at the final weigh in of that thing. And it was Tracy Berg's tournament man I lost. You know, like I look, I thought the world of that guy. And that's kind of like what you're absolutely sure so. So to be at an event like that, you know, the night before we had a dinner and you're at a dinner, you know, talking to Tracy Burton, just hanging out with a woman and having dinner with him. And it's surreal. I guess it's the word. It's an incredible feeling. It's like you're in a dream, especially as a kid. But yeah,

Randy Hulsey  35:45

I can. I can only imagine the feeling but if you took that to another level, so I just came back today from from Nashville, and I took my first tour of the Grand Ole Opry while I was there. And there's a little not to give the tour away. But there's a little segment where you walk in. It's the very first thing. It's kind of it's a video but it's emceed by Trisha Yearwood and Garth Brooks. And they're talking about the Opry in the history of the Opry. The circle standing in the circle to play. And it showed a compilation of people playing for the first time at the Opry and then being asked to be a member of the Opry. And Paul, I'm literally sitting here just as a person that bought a ticket to this thing. And I'm sobbing for these people. Like I have tears in my eyes. Because the energy and the emotion that these people have, this was the pinnacle. If you're asked to be a member of the Grand Ole Opry and you're a musician, that is the apex man, you you have you have arrived at if that happens. And I was overwhelmed, and I wasn't even one of the artists being asked, right. So I can only imagine when you're asked to be a performer with, you know, a big name or or whatever, it's very humbling. It's almost like you don't deserve it. But it's a very proud thing, you know, and it's something like you said, it's, it's, you know, it's something you can kind of puff your chest up and say, you know, this is really cool. You know, I've done something right to get to this point.

Paul Noyola  37:27

It's almost a little less stressful, because it's kind of like you're being validated going on a show like that. Sure. And so it gives you a lot of a lot of what's the word where you feel very sure of yourself. Sure. Self calm self confidence. Yeah, you feel very self confident at that point. You're like, Man, I could do this. Yeah,

Randy Hulsey  37:48

well, it was interesting to learn that Matt Sebastian played bass guitar in your band. And then I saw that you guys were song swapping together out at fortress a while back? And I'm like, how do these guys know each other? Like I thought Paul was from the middle of nowhere. And I asked you to be on my show before I knew of the connection between you guys. So it's a small world,

Paul Noyola  38:19

it is a small world. So in the I guess 2003 or four, I was kind of I'd been out of music. It just a backup and recap those those early 2000s of my my life there. So I was in that Western stick, Texas swing band in my late teens. And when I started became torn, when I was 20 years old, I thought man, I'm gonna have to get into a career, you know, my son's getting older, and I need to get a steady income and a good job and some benefits and things like that, you know, start living within the constructs of society. Sure. And so my dad was a policeman. And I thought, well, that's probably the quickest, easiest job, best job I can go do. So I went to police academy, kind of I quit the band, The Texas swing band, I was in the tailor made band is what it was called, that was from like 95 to 98 or 99, or something like that. And I left those guys and went to police academy and became a policeman. And I did that for about four or five years. Until I was actually a policeman for almost 10 years, okay, but about four or five years into that career. I got the urge again, you know, your weave in and out of music, you know, life happens and things. And I got the urge to start performing again. And I just want to do something different, you know, the scene down around Beaumont, I was starting to go out and I had a little money because I was I had a job and stuff. So I was I had some friends we go hang out and go to concerts and stuff and the music scene was popping down on Valmont at the time And like that an Anton's down there on Crockett Street in Beaumont, there was a bunch of little, little rooms that bands would just cram into and cram people into. It was just like rock music and hardcore and like punk music and stuff like that. And it was a different world for me coming from the country music I'd come from, to this, this hard rock, you know, screamo like hardcore stuff. And I'd always been a fan of all music. In high school, you know, I would listen to everything from Rage Against the Machine to Tribe Called Quest to Johnny Cash and Keith Whitley or George Strait, you know, I listen to everything, I love to music, all genres, so, so getting into some of these live venues in the early 2000s. and see some of these rock bands playing. And they've just going crazy on stage. And like, just there was it was just there were no rules, you know, there was no like, you could picture the ideal country performance in your mind where the lead singer stands, where the drummer sits, where the bass player, how they set how they perform, how that whole performance goes, you know, it's a kind of a standardized thing. Absolutely. And then I was going into these little clubs where there were these rock bands plugged in wedges into a corner of a room. And just like cranking up the amps and distortion and just feeling everybody was just pressed up against the front of the stage and just having a blast, it was a lot of energy, it was so much energy is so liberating, and free to experience those rock bands like that. And it it was something that did something to me, you know, I was like, Man, I want to do this. I want to do that right there. So around 2004 2000 And then five I started looking through whatever we had at the time, I don't I don't remember what kind of wanted, you know, Craigslist or whatever. And I found a an ad for you know, guitarist and bass player looking for singer and drummer. Something like that. So these guys were done in Niederlande, Texas. So I rang them up and ended up going to meet them and I'm a 20 Whatever, three or four year old cop, okay, you know, wanting to join a rock band. Well, they were like 16 and 17 years old, so I was like, this is cool. They're not gonna be bad guy. They're really good. Good guys. You know, we're not gonna be getting any trouble. I'm not gonna be around anything. I shouldn't be around and, and so, man, we hit it off. Well, the bass player was Matt Sebastian, and the guitarist was Billy wills will wills. He lives over in Florida now West Palm Beach. So yeah, we started off and we were looking for a drummer. And not long after that. We found a drummer from Anna wack, Texas. And his name was he couldn't drive to audition or band practice for a couple years because like 15 years old, okay. So his name was Grady Saxman. Okay, so Grady shows up 15 year old kid, his dad brings him over and he starts on loading loading in all these drums and he's got this huge nice kit and everything. And I'm like, Man, this kid's never going to use all these drums, you know. And he turned out to just be phenomenal, like this phenomenal drummer 15. So we call that band demagogue. And we recorded a bunch of music. At least I guess in today's terms, I guess it'd be like a full albums worth putting EP out. And then we did a half assed full album, you know, it's probably seven or eight songs that rocked on, that rocked on for maybe, I guess, three or four years. We played in that band. Okay. And we toured around Texas a little bit in Louisiana a little bit. And we were kids, you know, I was I was the oldest one. And for a long time that even though I was a policeman, I didn't tell them because I didn't even want them. I didn't want them to treat me any different. Yeah. And I would do that a lot. Because people would treat you different. Oh, yeah. If they knew you were a policeman, you never. So I didn't tell him for a long time. And I think they all came up to my house. One weekend after we've been a band for a while. And Billy road. I think he showed up at my house. I was like, Come on, let's go into town and get some food and stuff for the weekend, a barbecue or whatever. And I was like, Come on, I'm gonna take you to where I work. And I took him to the police department, like walked him in there. And he was like, What is this? Yeah, so our work. So it was no big deal. I mean, they were, they thought it was pretty cool. And everything. And so anyways, Bill is going off. He lives in West Palm Beach now. And Matt's here around Cypress area. And he's performing. He's got his band. He's doing well. So I'm proud of him. And Grady. That dude, he continued playing drums and he started touring a little bit. And then he settled up in Nashville a few years ago and became a session musician. And now Grady is the he's he's making a name for himself. up there he's got Saxman studios I know a lot of people whose us Payton Howie sure she's just recorded with him up there trying to think some other people that from this area that may have recorded with Grady up there Sexsmith studios, but, uh, his his guy that masters for him Frank and he's at his little mastering suite up there at Grady studios called fuselage. I know a lot of people use fuselage studio just went on radio tour last week playing some acoustic guitar for Caitlin Kohler, who's got her new single out everywhere I go. And she had sent me the wav file for it for me to learn the song for were on on radio tour. And I noticed the the initials on the on the file. And it was, it was like, it was Frank's initials from from fuselage and I said, Caitlin, who mastered this song for you. And she said, You know, I think it was done up there. And I said, my buddy for the guy that masters my stuff. Frank for fuselage at Grady, who was my drummer in my band, while small world think he mastered your song. And so it ended up being ended up being frank up at Grady studio. So yeah, it is small world as

Randy Hulsey  46:05

people. Well, it was it was interesting, because I've known of Matt, for several years now, of course, and we play a lot of the same venues. But Matt had asked me to come out in song swap with him at fortress probably about, I don't know, six, eight months ago, something like that. And I went out that was the first time he and I ever played together. But yeah, it was interesting to find the connection between you guys just like, I just thought you were some guy out in East Texas and like, you know, and then all of a sudden, you got this connection with a mutual friend. And it's like, wow, I've

Paul Noyola  46:36

literally seen you know, here and there. Like I said, I bounced in and out of it and coming back into it, I'll tell you, it's tough because the face is changed, the venue changed so much the way of doing business. As far as just getting your music out and distributing your music and everything has changed so much of last 10 years and bouncing in and out of it. It's such a learning curve. And you're starting from ground zero, like from from the ground up, you're starting from, from nothing to to get a little, you know, recognition in the scene. Because I get back out here start playing absolutely none of these venues know who I am. Not that I was ever anybody. But I mean, I was actually I was working in the scene a little bit. Yeah, playing music and writing and stuff. So all those connections you might have had those people you knew that booked this place or that man there, you know, yeah, sure. So getting back out there, the last six or eight months has just been such a struggle just getting in some of these places. And that's okay, I'm not trying to gig all the time, just enough to keep keep me tuned up, you know, keep me over here, one of people should keep me in, satisfied and that satisfies me. But I'll tell you, it's it's it's tough getting back out here after quitting a little while. So the lesson in that is anybody that's out there, and you enjoy doing music, and you really like it, don't let the grind of the business side of it or whatever, don't let that force you out of a sure like enjoy it for making music from school a tivity for the art of it. Go out write your songs, if you don't, if you do if you don't go out and play your songs sing, and don't let anything run you out of the business, because there's a reason why you do it. If it's the right reason, then then stick with it. And I wish I would I wish I wouldn't have quit all the times. Even though I had to just to let life happen. And you know, starting businesses and building houses and getting married, those things happen, I needed to do those things, I wanted to do those things. Those are important things to me at the time. But I wish I would have kept playing music to some capacity over those years, instead of just putting the guitar completely aware of not playing,

Randy Hulsey  48:43

you know, and that was that was me, you know, I was in a couple of bands back in the 80s and kind of did this and that with the music and then I just stepped out of that whole thing. And just kind of became the recluse musician for 30 plus years and back in 2015 It's like I started seeing the solo artist popping up you know, back in the day, it was just bands, bands, bands, it was there was really no such thing as a solo musician, right? And I started seeing these solo guys, it's like wait a minute, I think I can do that. And I jumped into it with both feet. And I think up until 2021 I was playing about 130 a year and I backed that way down but yeah, you you if even if even if I go two weeks without playing a show and I get back on the stage just like this is kind of weird. I feel rusty even after two weeks right so you really do if you're if you're a musician get out there and gig man play in front of whoever you can and whoever will let you you know Dolla dolla sounded play play play anytime you

Paul Noyola  49:51

that's why I'm so thankful to Matt for for having me out to Song swap with him so he places because before I decided to kind of get back into it. He had been performing for a year or two and playing some of these acoustic shows. And he had been getting really settled into the scene and booked a lot. And he had started texting me, dude, you ready to play again? Come on, let's go play as a duo show somewhere. And I was like, Dude, I have no desire to go play music. I'm not doing it. This was a year or two ago. And he stayed on me for a while they don't to me. It's like, finally I was like, Matt, I will contact you. Don't sit around and wait on me. But I appreciate you appreciate the invite. But I have no desire to go play music. Well, at some good stuff happened to me. Last year, I was recognized by notable person in the area. It I don't know if you care to hear this whole story. But it kind of pushed me back into the scene and helped me Usher me back into the scene. But even before that, just to set that up. So being a being a face around my little community that always kind of played music, I'd always run into people that would be like, do you still play? Why don't you play anymore? Wish you play. So I would hear that a lot when I was getting groceries or whatever. And, and so finally I decided to do this a couple of years ago decided to do a little thing where I would record myself playing one song, like on Saturday mornings on my sofa, it posted on my personal Facebook page. And it was kind of like my little like segue into here, everybody that's asking me to play music. Sure. Go watch this. And here's this'll should satisfy you, I hope so I started recording those. I was calling them this Saturday morning sofa session. So I would just kind of pull the name out. And it was a good way for me to kind of make myself practice a song or learn a new song or and it was a way for me to an outlet for me to perform for people. So I've done that for a little while. And one morning, I got up and I woke up with that Aha song, you know, take me, I woke up with that in my brain and, and I started looking around the internet. And I found like the acoustic versus like Boo is really good. And I liked that a lot. So I said let me do my little Saturday morning sofas and my wife goes out to work on sending more she got a yoga studio with Jasper. So she goes into his classes in the morning. So I'm at home by myself. It's quiet, you know, and I sit down and record my little Saturday morning sofa session. So I did AHA Take on me that morning. And there's a local radio personality around this Houston area is based out of Houston named Michael Berry, and his producer I had, I had kind of piled around with them online, you know, joking back and forth and things through Twitter and Facebook and stuff. And because I'm a fan of their show, and we kind of just became acquaintances online, you know, as if I was a fan of theirs. And we just kind of, you know, became those online acquaintances like you do these days. And Ramon, who's the producer of that show, he followed me on my on my family or friends on Facebook or whatever. And he saw that Aha video and he sent it to Michael. And it I guess it impressed Michael Mann, that was a big thing for me coming back out and start playing again. Because I was like, man, you know what, maybe I do still have disability to get out and play and perform. And it really lit that fire back in me. When Ramone noticed me. And Michael played the song on his on his show. And I was getting all this flood of Facebook, traffic and nice and stuff. And it was It felt good to get that recognition again, for my music and stuff. Even though that wasn't my song. I was just covering a song it it just felt good to be recognized. So yeah, that really lit the fire in me to really start writing again. And then so the thing clicked in my head like Oh, Matt wanted me to come play acoustic. So what longer it's

Randy Hulsey  53:42

like well, yeah,

Paul Noyola  53:43

yeah, I hit mad. I was like, Dude, I think I'm ready to get back out in front of people. And it wasn't long after that. I started doing a few little song swaps with him. And I tell you what, man he is exactly what I needed. Because having that additional person there when you're playing acoustic we're not having to do song after song after song. But man, I was so scared getting back up again. This was only six or eight months ago. And man I was so scared because I was rusty. I really hadn't been in front of people. I hadn't been playing my acoustic I wasn't confident my guitar playing at the time and things and I was even doubting my material that had written you know, and even been performing over the years and it's just a just getting comfortable being back in that set. Absolutely. But yeah, Matt had a lot to do with it. And also Michael and Michael Berry and cool and Ramon to of course well

Randy Hulsey  54:31

they validate that you still have the chops and you can get out there and do your thing and that's a good thing. Sometimes that's what it takes. Is that push to get you to jump off the bridge. Right? It takes the bridge jump. Oh yeah. Well, yeah, you've weaved in and out of the music scene, of course. And you had a couple of singles that I think it was last year that you released. And this year, this march was okay, this bar back okay. Okay. All right. And I was wondering if you had another one that you might share with the

Paul Noyola  55:00

I do earlier this year so like holding on to hope was a song that I had had written about 12 years ago and just got around to recording it. Well, I've been writing a ton of new material. And I've got one that I wrote at the beginning of this year and I recorded it and just released it back in June and actually had no intention to release any of this stuff or try to do Texas radio and all that stuff. It's just I don't know if it if it made its way or if it fit into that, then then I'm very thankful I'm not ungrateful for any of those opportunities with Texas radio or anything but it's not something I'm pursuing or I'm not trying to write for Texas radio or performed to be a Texas country artists. It's just not because I'm really not. I'm really not a Texas country artist. I mean, do my songs kind of fit in that that genre? Yeah, I guess I'm a little departure from what a lot of these guys are doing. I don't know if that's good or bad. Sure. I don't know how the scene looks at that but but claim to be is the song that I just released. It does kind of fit in that my biggest problem is getting these three three minute and 32nd songs to come out of me you know, my songs are like four four and a half minute songs you know, and so that's not really the best thing for radio format but I went ahead and threw this in the mix and went to radio distribution with claim to be so it went out to radio on July the 10th. And it really surprised me the radio distributor has a running tally of how many times your song has been downloaded by stations and things I use CD text to do my distribution and math for the year I had jumped up to number 36 spot likes with the song I had like 132 stations download my song and that could merely be because like who is this guy? Let me just get this song and listen to it and then they never play it they may never put it into rotation but just to be just for it to be noticed Absolutely man meant a lot to me it's pretty cool yeah it's pretty cool for sure yeah so claim to be the artist new single

Randy Hulsey  57:05

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Randy Hulsey  1:00:39

that was the recently released claim to be great song, man, thank you in your in your voice is very nice. It's very settling. So kudos to you for that. Thank

Paul Noyola  1:00:49

you. Yeah, you can. I'm using my complete range and a lot of stuff I'm still writing but that's a more vocally for me. It's more of a mellower song. Yeah. I do like to use my range and

Randy Hulsey  1:01:03

will use it or lose it is what they say. Right. And that's great. It sounds great. How many songs would you say? If you thought on average, how many songs would you write a month? Not many. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I know there's guys out there killing it. And but there's no right or wrong answer, though. Right? I'm just curious like for yourself. How many?

Paul Noyola  1:01:27

I'm he's so much. I mean, it varies. I think on average, maybe about two probably, I'm finished about two that I'm that I'm really happy with like finish here. And I'm like, this is solid. You know, like, this is a really solid song. I probably do about two.

Randy Hulsey  1:01:42

Yeah. Well, great song. Thanks for sharing your musical talent with myself and the listeners there. Anything else new in the works for you as it relates to new music that you're you're thinking about releasing or that you're writing for an upcoming new record that you can talk about,

Paul Noyola  1:01:59

I really don't write with a goal like that. I'm not right now writing for a goal of like a record. So I'm just writing,

Randy Hulsey  1:02:06

I'm just right, just an organic thing for you. That's just writing as

Paul Noyola  1:02:09

much as I can try to make songs are like, you know, I'm not trying to write these things to fit into something. Whatever, I'm not writing them for anything other than myself. And so no, no, not for an album. I'm just kind of releasing singles. You can do that these days, which is cool. I realized that like, get back into like, Oh, you don't do albums anymore. You can just do singles. Out there. Absolutely. So some projects on the table. Man, I just started out. Like I said, a few months ago, I told my wife, I'm just gonna write songs, and record them and release them. And I might play a song out live here in there. And then it turned into like, well, I'm playing live here and there. I'm just going to do a date or two a month. And then, you know, that's turned into three or four. And then it's like, but I'm definitely not doing a band again. And then a few months ago, I was like, Ani, I think I'm going to start a band. So the guitar player from the last band I was in based on a Lake Charles, which it wasn't my choice. I think the guys did it as a joke or anything. But we went by my last name of Noah Yola, based out of Lake Charles, one of the guitar players in that band and Josh, he's always just kind of like Matt always stayed in my life and always been on me about like, hey, let's start something up. Let's start something up. So Josh is always on me. So when I kind of got the, the desire to get a band going, again, I contacted Josh said, hey, the times come, let's get a band together. And I just decided to do things a lot differently. This time, not really a democracy. In the band. I said, you know, with the band, I'm going to promote it as an artist. It's going to be me. And basically, you know, I love you, but you're just you guys are going to be hired guns, basically. Just you're the supporting group. Yeah. So I think if you have that conversation up front, absolutely. Absolutely, guys, if they understand that from the beginning, and you know, you find the right people that are down with that they don't care called setting proper expectations. So I set those expectations from the beginning Josh's fine with that and not just wanted to run this thing as an artist. And so that's the project on the table. I've got a I've got a great basis that's working with us now on electoral so I didn't want to have another band. But like I said, my previous band, Nola was based on electoral rolls. Where I live out in the middle of nowhere I don't really have that talent pool, you know, 15 minutes from me that I can draw from these musicians. So I've got to choose like, am I going to go to Houston to try to start a band or go to Lake Charles or start a band? So it ended up being like Charles again I said I was in a, you know, do that but here I am, again, show going dropping a Lake Charles a couple times a week for rehearsals and stuff, but man from the get go. Josh was like Man, you're gonna have hell find a drummer. I was like, now we can do this because I've never had trouble finding musicians in the past. And man, it's been a struggle fun on a drummer and So I think I may have somebody I'm not sure. So Lake Charles drummers need a drummer may have one I don't know. But I'm open to anybody else still looking for the right good. Like a good lead guitarist, I want a country picker. Even though I'm not really playing country music, I want somebody that's well versed in country picking and then rock music. Because I'm doing the kind of that arc Americana type. Rocky singer songwriter stuff. I don't know what you'd call it. Yeah, but so that's the project on the table right now trying to get this band wrapped up so I can get on to some live performances with them?

Randy Hulsey  1:05:35

Well, it sounds like the shows from the booking of shows us kind of an organic thing. It doesn't sound like you're, you're pushing heavy or whatever, and just trying to kind of wedge your way back in is that fair to say?

Paul Noyola  1:05:47

That's it just trying to get some, you know, just get get noticed by some some guys in the scene. I think that's been one of my strategies, because it's just to as me as a as an artist to kind of get back out and get my chops, you know, whatever the term is, sure, get comfortable back in the scene, again, is to network with some of these other guys out play. And so man, I've been hitting up random artists out here and like, Hey, you don't know who I am. But I'm a songwriter. And I live way in East Texas, if you're gonna write a song together, or you want a song swap or something, let me know. So I just was cool. And so when most most of these people like who the hell is this guy, you

Randy Hulsey  1:06:23

know? Well, you know, and like, like Matt has done for you, which is great, because you're able to saddle him up a little bit and ride in on his coat till yesterday, to places like fortress, and Max like, because somebody, somebody's booking at max is going to hear you play tonight. And they're gonna say, oh, man, let's get that guy in there. And I've received shows basically the same way a friend saying, Hey, can you fill in for my Thursday night show and I go and play and now I'm a resident artist in some of these places, right? So that's really the I found that it's the good old boy network. If you're the outsider, it's kind of tough to get in you have to be persistent and I only find your wedge and

Paul Noyola  1:07:01

I am so much to the outsider right now. And I've just been trying to do that network issue and maintenance. He makes these guys do

Randy Hulsey  1:07:07

it or else Well, Paul, listen man, it was it was great spending time with you and getting to know you. Thanks for your gift of music and for sharing it with myself and the listeners of backstage pass radio you guys make sure that you go out and follow Paul on his socials and make sure to like share and subscribe and Paul I'm gonna get you to maybe let them know how to find you on social media and I know you have a website so share the socials with with the listeners so they know where to find us that are running

Paul Noyola  1:07:39

down all the socials just my website is Paul pul in Oh ye Oh La no Yo La Palma yola.com. And it's got links to all my socials and you know YouTube video right on everything you'd expect to find.

Randy Hulsey  1:07:54

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